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Drew, Hepburn Clash When Premier Attacks OHawa Over Baby Bonus hr radio address. Mr. Hopburn i ted the paragraph in which the C ier spoko of Ontario's money " to tho Provinvo of Quebec . der the Famir Allowances Act. in: Against Debate ' "I: that his roal objection ?"asketl Mr. Hepburn. 'Speaker Stmxztrt prompilv inter- Iened and titled that there tould be debate on Mr. Drew's statement. was not dobatnhle under the rules the House, ho said. From this t on the crowded galleries were " lvened by hoatod argument, in , ch Premier Drew rapped the 1 House Leader hard in the W893. When Mr. Hepburn pped at the Premier: "Have you . the courage and resolution to up your statement?" referring F the Aug. 9 radio address, the "In!" hit back with: "Members of In House should realize that those "ures of the member for Elgin g'ttrttid not be taken seriously." no deb: It was i of the point o univen which Liberal The King Government's Family 'Allowances Act was projected into Ire Legislature yesterday when an IBttack by Premier George A. Drew in failure of Ottawa to consult the F rovinces in this matter brought . 'beral House Leader Mitchell Hep- F urn into sharp conflict with the emier. The clash between the Premier d Mr. Hepburn spread to the CF. and Labor-Progressive groups. d Speaker W. J. Stewart, attempt- to bring order out of what was idly degenerating into a rowdy ' lsode. narrowly escaped having 1Nte of his rulings defeated in a divi- 'ion. The division hells actually pug. but the vote on the ruling was ided when Premier Drew said had no objection to A. A. Mao. d lLab.-Ptog.. Bellwoodst speak- on the question which had been I ed by the Speaker. Premier Drew's Aug. 9 radio ad. s. in which he declared that the lquitous hill" (the Family Allow- s Act) would be resisted hy On- , was quoted in part by Mr. burn. Reading from a copy of Mr. Hepburn jumped up amid a Item of desk-banging by Govern- "at members, and protested that, while he was not "thin-skinnrul," ttte Premier would have to with- (raw this remark, When the Speak- or attempted to ease the tension and proposed that the Orders of the INIr be called. thus putting an end tome argument. Mr. Hepburn, red- hud, insisted that. the Speaker rule on his request that the Premier be asked to withdraw the remark. C.C.F. Leader E. B. Jolliffe enter.. ed the fray in support of Mr. Hop- burn and it appeared for a few moments as though a division would take place if the Premier "upheld. - We Takes Part - "Lei's get on with the Orders of a" Day," suggested_the Speaker. [ "No, Mr. Speaker, I want a ruling " to this personal reflection. If the 'ttling is contrary to what I think i right I'll ask the House to vote on it." Mr. MacLeod, having at last re- ceived permission to have his say, repeated the question he put to the Premier on Tuesday. He wished to know whether it was still the considered policy of the Drew Gov- trnment to do all in its power to "Call in the members," said Mr. Hepburn. The division bells started their clamor and the party whips hurried out of the House to round Up stray members. Mr. Drew at this stage repeated what he had said earlier, that he had no objee- tion to Mr. MacLeod making a statement. This served to avert a House division, though Mr. Hep- burn tried to have the Speaker call the vote on his ruling. Question on Policy Just when it seemed that quiet and order was about to settle over the chamber. the whole issue was reopened as Mr. MacLeod rose and attempted to speak on the same subject. The Speaker ruled he was out of order. Mr. Jolliffe rose in support of Mr. MacLeod's right to speak. The Speaker said he was not responsible for the rules of the House. His task was to enforce them. and the member for Bell- woods was out ot order in attempt- ing to reopen a matter which was closed. One Course to Follow Mr. Jolliffe then suggested that Mr. MacLeod be permitted to speak by a unanimous vote of the House, and when this did not seem to meet with the Speaker's approval, Mr. Jolliffe remarked: "If my motion is not acceptable I have only one course to follow." with J. B. Salsberg tLab.-Prog.. St, Andrew), and the two former C.C.F. members Leslie Hancock 'Ind. Lab.-Parmer, Wellington S.), Nelson Alles (Lab., Essex North), and Mr. Hepburn. "t thought you would," remarked the Speaker. Mr. MacLeod challenged the rul- Ing of the Speaker and rose, along In the course of the heated argu- ment. the Premier reminded Mr. Hepburn of his widely-discussed statement that Ontario was not go- ing to he the "mileh cow" tor the rest of the Dominion. "The Premier has conducted him- self in his usual gentlemaniy man- ner," declared Mr. Hepburn, who earlier remarked that to get any- thing definite from the Premier "is like nailing jelly to the wall." "This is really only a tempest in a teapot." remarked the Premier. "1 can't help laughing when I re- call the names and epithets the member for Elgin has used in this House." The Speaker ruled that he could nee no reason why the Premier should have to withdraw a remark made in the course of this kind of debate, hut the Premier cut in: "The member tor Elgin talks about it" MEN" "In his speech in Halifax. Mr. Claxton made it clear that he looks upon family allowances as part of a 'broad system of social security.' This Government from the begin- ning has been convinced that fam- ily allowances are an integrated part of the whole question of social security, and has so stated. The members of this Legislature will re- oppose the Family Allowances Act and not to concur in this "high- handed action," (quoting from the Premier's address). "It is one thing to say, as the; Premier says. that the Province; should have been consulted." said: Mr. Jolliffe. "And it is an entirely', different thing lo say that this; measure will he resisted hy every: means within the power of the Gov-1 ernment. I assume Ontario tami-, lies will receive payment under the) act in July, and I do not suppose, the Government. will attempt to intercept the allowances. The atti-i tude of the C.C.F. in this House is', fundamentally the same as it was} a year ago. We are prepared to; support forward steps, and to op-' pose those we do not consider ini this category. We will certainly op-' pose any re-affirmation by this' Government of its statement that it will resist the carrying out of; the Family Allowances Act in this, Province." , "The Premier should make up his mind what he wants this Legisla- ture to do and let us dispose of it once and for all," said Mr. Mac- Lead. "One was contained in a speech by Hon. Brooke Claxton, the Domin- ion Minister of Health and Wei- fare," said Mr. Drew. "The other was by Mr. LaFleche. the National War Services Minister. These an- nouncements were that arrange- ments had been made with the Women's Voluntary Services to take part in the registration and sorting of forms required for the payment of family allowances right across Canada. The fireworks started following a 30-minute statement by the Pre- mier. In this prepared statement the Premier said that two an- nouncements by Dominion Cabinet Ministers called for an immediate reply from the Ontario Government. Claxton and LaFleohe