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--'M.. I Mr. Oke. the first speaker of the day! in the debate, told the House that the; 'extent or the estimates brought down; teach year seemed "ridiculous"' to the. Havel-age man. He thought that one-, {third of those estimates could be lop-p pod oft and never missed. l 5 He went on to speak in praise of the, farmers ot the Province. He declared," that the farmer could discuss a variety" or topics intelligently. He admitted that the tanner gulchlztgdusei ultimo bad tummy" or " " n is speii- l lug. "But," said he, "what does the' proper spelling mean when it comes down to brass tacks?" , ,.....u.. N we amounts ot money which ' were borrowed annually. ; "What taxes do we collect from the ipeople?" asked the Premier. "We only .collect for public service." 1 He insisted that there was every frcaedn to collect the tax on demand a..wu.uw "t public works. "Here's your $24.000,0oo," said the Premier. "As it is now we assume Payment of the old accumulated debt. n 40 years it will be very small under the plan." Mr. SintMir---Youire even better' than the Treasurer. The cPremier--wen, ot course, I can make it. Mr. Fermsnn 1mm": on» -r---- AV, por "saw. "me money was used for the welfare of the people of Ontario, tor their benettt." With regard to last year's increase ot $24,000,00ti in the Provincial debt. Hon. Mr. Ferguson. admitting the correctness of the statement, outlined how 86,500,000 had been invested in Hydro, $3,500,000 in the Agricultural Board. $l3d00,000 in Northern Ontario development. and 31.000000 in public works. "Here's your $29r0/rop," said the Premier. "Increased debt does not necessarily mean waste and extravagance." sud the Premier, adding that the expenditures had meant investments. such as. tor instance, $26,000,000 in Hydro, and not waste. "The money was used for the welfare ot the people of Ontario, tor their benettt." Dealing with the debt retirement plan, in connection with which Mr. tun- ciair earlier in the debate had stressed that the debt ot the Province had in- creased instead ot dwindled since it went into operation. Premier Ferguson insisted on going into data of the in- censed debt. "The debt was $07,000,000 when the Hearst Government went out ot power. IV was $291,000,000 when the Drury Government had done. In 1928, it had increased to $393,000,000. and now let gs see where this additional $102,000.- nn nAMA- 1- us see where 000 comes in "Increase in debt.".he declared. "often means foresight to meet a situation. Here is money borrowed. and not spent. but invested in the welfare of the Prov- ince. and essential to the happiness and Prosperity of the people." lnerened Debt. Premier Ferguson claimed that the! debt increase complained ot by Mr. tsind) Clair had been through borrowings,,' which. in turn. had been invested in. Hydro. the T. & N.O.. the Agt1cu1turtul Development Board. highways. Northern development. the new Provincial build-, mag. and other public works. ' ,' ttathy with the blue ruin cry. How do you account for the tremendous in. creue your utter year ot the "rieul- lulu] wealth ot this Province. which itjif ycu' reached I. total of $500,000,- 00?" "Jon and reduce the tax burden. We haveI implemented our promise. We have) lived within our income and reduced, the tax burden. and it will be reduced; further. In a few years there will be; tax reductions that will be felt in the pocket ot every ratepayer in this Prov-; ince." t, pmipg to. tht question of the busr. ually sound reason for col- the corporation tax, the and the incomes from the tl Act. "That's the proper et, tor pubic service." he the - Dr. Poisson felt that the Government should pus regulations or see to it that we drinlrimUttt2artt liquor: orould On the question of the Liquor Con- trol Act, Dr. Poisson contrasted condi- tions as they obtain now under the Liquor Control Act with the days of the Ontario Temperance Act, when, he stated. truckloads of liquor, camouflaged as lumber, furniture, bananas. and what not, came into the Border Cities from Quebec. with Detroit-the-Sahara as their Pestirtation. Dr. Poisson said that the bootleggers were gradually be- ing eliminated. and that people were in sympathy with the Liquor Control Act. and working to make the greatest possible succesa pt it. _ - The hope was expressed by the North Essex member that some of the money which is being collected under the Ontario Research Foundation would be devoted to keeping at home many of the young medical men who, with no aid now available here, so over to the United States to carry out important research work. Dr. Poisson referred to the work of the Department of Health in its tight against pernicious anaemia. tubercu- losis. and other diseases, and in this connection drew trom Hon. Dr. Forbes Godfrey, Minister ot Health, the re- iteration that after an investigation of the pernicious anaemia. situation. he now feels it his duty to provide sub. terers from this disease with liver ex- tract at cost, it not actually tree of cost. Dr. Poisson expressed himself as strongly in favor of the extension and development of township roads. but felt that much ot the "preaching" or advocacy of them should be done he- tort the, various County Councils. :-7tiiiitiUd to tell the Home at hit he duatur-d in ("or of beer ale on attitude toward Hon. E. C. Drury and the some order " wine sales. the Government that he led. "tel "Mar I at the gentleman." put 'n 1Drury," said he, "instead ot .',ttgl"4 E. Matte Miller {Libero}. East Elgim 3 to the farmers as I thoux'ht he shoal " "r"""'""""""""""""""'"'"""""""""""-"""'-:"..-.':-, lbave done, associated wit higher-ups. '1aawh't difference there is between aleo .50.} 1etr" q-t_, I_A_> Ac-k '- "4,1101 in whiskey and glcohol m beer?" Farmers must realize, he contended: that they are up against very severe competition from outside countries. and they will have to "produce the goods" it they desire to come out on top. Extensive educational methods through pictures and lectures. under departmental supervision, would, he felt, go a long ways in teaching the farmers not only of his riding. but of every section of Ontario, to grow the best and get the best out of their lands. be of the best from the farmer's botht of View. the farmers. themselves, could do more than they are doing "to keep up with the spirit of the times." Competition for Farmers. Speaking generally of farming condi- tions in Ontario. Dr. Poisson admitted .thatp'pile, thos_e conditions might not At some length. Dr. Paul Poisson criticized the last Robb Budget. As far as liquor traffie is concerned the Robb Budget could. he charged, be much more easily designated a "booze Bud- get" than the Ontario financial state- ment pita! waiting to undergo a serious operation. Concluding his address he tigd the House that Thomas Farquhar. his col- league from Manittmlin. was in a hos- On the liquor situation Mr. Oke pie- tured hotel bedrooms as bar rooms. Next Mr. Olen told the Reuse tint the Hydro pulley was wrong at the start and shculd have been 'ie,i'iiglf.trg before this. Prom the very first» ld he, the undertaking should have been to look after the farmers win con- stituted the greatest industry. He pic- tured Hydro as a failure under the present system and declared: " have to see some man who is big enough to take the ox by the horns and change the system ct Hydro distribution in this Province." He, believed that than was no reason for a system such as existed wherein a. whole party voted en blpc. or tor a Cabinet Council organizatinn such as cxxntrd. Criticism tor Hyd ro. Mr. Oke later stated that in the Drury regime he had seen tb law men run everything, irrespective of the wishes of the members of the party. He went on to declare that the Prov' ince would progress it there was no party representation in the 1asgisltsture. Why, he asked, should there he a perty system in the House any more than in a County Council organisation? Tcrming the party system " moot foolish thing." he told the members that they should "pattern" themselves "on County Council work.". _ . . "There ititt't work in this Legisla- ture." said he, "to keep us here . quarter of the time that we're kept here under than!!! party system." 4)" In conclusion Mr. Weichel referred to Federal f1naneial "airs, nnd remarked on a difference in the Liberal party. The Liberals It Ottawa, said he, were emphasizing the prosperity of Canada, yet the Liberals in the Ontario Legis- lnture were saying that the country "is going to the dogs." ', Immediately following the division (the House went into committee on the supplementary estimntes. It passed l item by item $11,818 of the vote for the 'Prime Minister's Department. When it came to some Hydro charges, Mr. Sin- , cm:- suggested adjournment as the 'House might involve considenble dis- cussion, so the eommittee formally Mr. Welchel, continuing the debate spoke at length of 'agricultural condi- tions in Waterloo County, and stated that the situation there did not corrobo- 'rate the gloomy story that came troml Opposition tanner members. 1 He had some suggestions for the lOoverrunertt. The ttrat was that the {amusement tax on amateur athletic ;spurts be abolished. Mr. Welchel stated that he had been pressing this request . and hoped that it would be granted. Haring Headlights. I "I don't think I need answer that question," said Dr. Poisson. " should say not," said the Govern- ment benches. passed the total vote tor the Premiers department. This being the first on the list. on the understanding that it was. open to questions and discussion at the next sitting end rose. The House then adjourned at Ig.26 um. Then he had some suggestions tor Hon. George S. Henry, Minister of Highways. on the matter ot night driv- ing ot automobiles. He said that all cars might. carry a spotlight fixed ot'. the right sid' ot he car at an angle of 45 degrees to throw a. beam of light on the edge ot the pavement. He would make such use ot lights compulsory. Moreover. he suggested that the left front headlight on cars, the one directly in front of the driver, be changed to a dimmer or green light. This would eliminate much of the danger ot glar- ing lights, he thought. . . " -cAiihtthi" Emma the groan from the Government benches.