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Selling Policy. "We are not," Mr." Finlayson empha- sized, "selling pulp limits " so much a square mile or by 'take it or leave it' methods. but at so much tr, potd.f The sale , to Austin at. Nicholson. said the Minister, had been made after careful inquiry "to keep Chapleau alive and to prevent 1,000 men trom being thro_wn pupa! 'Iorlr._ll _ - - He wondered why Mr. Sinclair had mentioned Gillies Brothers, tor they were "the strongest Liberals in the Ottawa Valley." The company, he went on. "had pleaded that they had 3 mil- lion dollars invested in one of the most modern mills in the business and yet they hadn't enough lumber to carry on. They had vast tracts that had been out over. They were four generations of lumber men. Some of their con- tracts had been renewed 80 times. Mr. Finlayson reviewed the Govern- 'ment's stand in the matter. There had ibeen only a pulp mill there. The de- ipartment, according to policy. had wanted the product finished in Ontario. and so came the paper mill, A 7 Any one going there, said he, would see not only the last word in paper mills and power development. but also one ot the most beautiful towns in On- tario and all within 200 miles of Mud- son Bay. The mills of the industry in Ontario and Quebec. the Minister continued. were just recovering from depression, were only now working 60 to 75 per cent. ot their power. "And yet my friend sug- gests we force them to put up more mills or cancel their contracts. It will be a sad day for Ontario when we adopt the principle of cancelling contracts be- cause ot a poor market. If we are going to be Jewish and Yiddish. to make money and grasp that way. then you'll have to get some one else to run the department." Mr. Sinclair had mentioned a sale to McDougall a: Hepburn. The Govern- ment had made a detailed Inquiry in this case, Mr. Finiayson stated. It had resoived itself into a question of the death of the industry. And the depart- ment required the paying of an back "And within a month or two." he went on. "out ot there at night will go trainloads ot paper wand for New York, which is doing more than any- thing else to give us a favorable bar. ance of trade in the United States market." '7 "So," Mr. Finlayson went on, "they said 'Forget we're Liberals and treat, us as business men.' " "Jewish and Yiddish." -- "That must have been hard on your feelings," interjected Mr. Sinclair. "Consuming Interest." debts. and the giving of new deposits, and on that understanding had put through the deal to "revive the in- dustry." He thought Mr. Sinclair, sneaking of the sale to the Interna- tlonal Pulp and Paper Company, was confusing it with another sale. "But even it it was so," said he. "we are glad to have the industry coins: on." "Not a. bit," retorted Mr. Finlayson. "If over my honorable friend gets the administration of this department. after two or three months he will find that business is the consuming interest of the department. And you can't adopt the destructive methods my honorable friend opposite suggestsff A Next Mr. Finlayson referred to the remarks regarding the English River limits. "Whatever," he declared, "one may say or think of Mr. Backus, there is no doubt that he is a. vigorous and keen business man, and has built up Fort Frances and the district, and as long as he is doing that and carrying out his contracts we have no right to interfere with him." "Why not an addras at that kind in 1923?" queried P. G. Sandy (Liberal. South Victoria.) .'Tor physical reasons." retorted Mr. I?inlaysch. " wasn't here." As for the advertisements in The Gazette referred to by Mr. Sinclair. Mr. Finlayson characterized them as "small arms." One had been the sale of a ct. another of a section. and the time provided was ample for cruising the areas. Sinclair Protests. Mr. Sinclair. he went on. had at- tacked Kapuskasing. The Liberal Lead- er protested. "I simply showed that vcu didn't get the price you should have." said he. "May Go the Other Way." "As for cancelling the Backus con- tract," said the Minister, "it may have to go the other way," - 7 "We may," he said, "have to continue his extensions. He has the right to be taken care ot the same as any other man. And we are encouraging him to go on as' far as he will with his enter- prise. and he is one of the most enter- prising men in the northwest part of the Province. We certainly do not feel that we should break faith with Mr. Backus." :OHUROH DISPUTES 3 FOLLOWING UNION APPEAR SETTLED In conclusion, the Minister urged Mr. Sinclair to withdraw his motion. 7 - The Liberal Leader. replving briefly, emphasized that he had not suggested any "destructive methods" for adoption in the department. Mr. Finlayson had simply corroborated his statements, he said. withdrawing his motion. tn that city, the Division Street and Knox congregations. had recorded a two-thirds vote for Union. The dis- senting one-third in each congregation, now united as St. Andrew's Presbyteri- an, sought redress against the United Church for ignoring the recommenda- The Owen Sound bill was next be- fore the committee. The bill explained that two former Presbyterian churcheg Over the strong protests of W. S. Haney, Conservative member for West Lambton, who sponsored the bill, the committee approved the subcommit- tee's recommendation that the United Church turn over to the Presbyterians the lot on which the former Meth- odist Church stands, in addition to making a cash settlement of $500. The request for a vote was rejected. 'The Owen Sound Case. The first bill for consideration by the committee yesterday was presented by the congregation ot the Presbyterian Church at Rutherford, in which the privilege of taking a vote on the ques- tion of Union was sought. When the Dominion-wide vote was taken some years ago, no vote was taken at Ruther- ford through a misunderstanding. "But," the Prime Minister pointed out, "it is now two years since legis- lation was passed in this House and a tribunal appointed to hear the dis- putes. That should be time enough to settle all of them. Neither the com- mittee nor the House should be asked to sit as a court ot review on these dis- putes. I hope the public will take cog- nizance of the fact. and that we will not hear of any controversies again, and that any differences will be sat- isfactorily adjusted among the contend- ing parties themselves." Private Bills Committee's handling of the various Church Union bills before it this session, and more particularly the work of the subcommittee under Hon. Finlay Macdiarmid. which heard the argument of the contending factions and reported their recommendations to; the Main Committee yesterday morn-f mg, was made the subject of congratu-) lations by Premier Ferguson in the I Legislature during the afternoon. ( Private Bills Committee of Legislature Is Compliment- ed on Its Work MARKHAM BILL DIFFICULT " think," said the Prime Minister, "that this House should congratulate them on the happy results reached. "They showed good judgment in ar- riving at a conclusion that is satis- factory to nearly all." Premier Hopes for Peace. alvx.escl-aw, 'VN-ay-el, ti" Most contentious of all was the Markham bill, which provoked an hour's discussion. At Markham a small ma- jority of the original Presbyterian con- gregation voted for Union, but before the legal date set for the consummation of Union arrived, a shift ot opinion had developed in the congregation. enough ito give the Continuing Presbyterian, a Esmall margin. The result was that an .actual minority went into the United "Churga. taking with them all the ,property of the congregation, including l the Morgan Trust Fund, valued at $10,- l.300. The bill sought the return ot all , property. The subcommittee's recommendation was that the United Church settle with the Presbyterians by paying $7.- 500, and that the bill as presented be thrown out. H. L. Beholfield, Con- servative member for St. George. who sponsored the bill, agreed to this. Markham Case Contentious. tion of the Ontario Chur petty Commission. eh Pro , St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church i congregation at Grafton sought a Idivision of the property now held ex- ! clusively by the United Church at that point, but the committee found that a legal battle over this issue is now on In the courts, and threw out the bill. This request was rejected by the sub- committee, with the recommendation that as regards the cemetery of the former congregation, the Continuing Presbyterians be given an equal equity with the United Church. A bill amending certain particulars of the incorporation of Victoria Univer- sity and Union Theological College was approved. the special committee's re- port stating that both parties inter- ested in the question having agreed to the contents of the bill. College Incorporation Approved. While a joint bill presented on be- half of the Presbyterian congregations at Wardsville and Dorchester was turned down, the committee made cer- tain recomendations as to a division of property, as sought in the bill. The United Church will be asked to sell the Presbyterians the former Dorchester Presbyterian Church and part ot the driving sheds for $1,590. . -. . The Wardsville Presbyterian Church, regarding which there was only a minor dispute, will. it the committee's rec- ommendation is accepted. be sold to the Presbvtprians for $400. All the items were approved in four divisions, namely. the Lieutenant-Gov- ernor's office, and the Prime Minis- ter's, Agriculture and Legislation De- partments. Progress was made in the votes in the Attorney-General's Depart- ment. Studying of Estimates Progresses in Legislature Starting in yesterday on the task of studying and approving the main esti- mates, the Ontario Legislature in the afternoon and evening session passed votes totalling $12,231,615. .- _ - Miscellaneous totes totaliing $623,000 were approved. These included $100,000 for wolf bounties. $15,000 for annuitic< and bonuses to Indians. a $50,000 grant, to the Canadian National Institute for the Blind, and $48,500 tor the Work- men's Compensation Board: . . -ih/ci1aiittie, was made in the estimates musidercd yesterday. Among those passed were the main provisions for Hydro operations. tl d Printer Wanted When the Opposition asked Pre- mler Ferguson yesterday why he had not yet appointed B King's Printer, the Prime Minister replied: 'Wm still looking for a suitable man, and I haven't found one yet to come up to my own standard." " suppose you are looking for a strong man," laughed Liberal Leader Sinclair. "Would you take sugges- tions from the Liberal party? We can find you a man right away." "Certaiitly," replied Mr. Ferguson,