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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 12 Mar 1924, p. 1

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to any subject as that which pre- vailed throughout yesterday's do- bate, which lasted from shortly after 8 o'cloek in the afternoon until pre- cisely midnight. when Attorney- General Nickle concluded the debate. Galleries Crowded; Floor Jammed. Hon. Dougatl Carmaehaers amend." ment to the amendment. setting forth the demand of the Progress. elves. first. tor an indication of de- she on the part ot the people for a. vote, and, secondly. that the Government first test the constitu. (Ionality of the proposal involved in the tttll before the House. was do- cured out ot order in that it did not amend any previous amend-i mom. l, Not in a dozen sessions has the: maximum-e presented such an afti-, tu e of rapt interest and attentionl Galleries were crowded to the point of extreme discomfort. The floor of the House was Jammed with visitors. whose numbers compelled encroachment almost to the floor of the House proper, scores stood who could not set seats, and the passage- ways leading to the viaitors' gal- ieries were so full as to prevent in- trees or egress. In addition to the throntr in the galleries and in the House. hundreds were turned away by the doorkeepers. Hon. Manning Doherty's amendment for the six months' hoist was defeated by 80 to 11. As on the main vote,fhe Gov- ernment forces presented a united front against the amendment. Messrs. Heenan and Callan voted against their group, and the Liberals also opposed it, on the ground, as set forth by their Leader, W. E. N. Sinclair, that they were opposed to a plebiscite, as against a referendum, now or six months hence. Government members lined up solidly behind the Treasury benches on the issue, and enlisted two recruits from the fol- lowers of Hon. Manning Doherty, Progressive Leader. They were Peter Heenan, Labor member for Kenora, and W. J. Callan, Labor member for Rainy River. Otherwise the vote was along strict party lines, every Con- servative member casting his vote with the Government for second reading, and every Liberal and every Progressive-ex- cept the two Labor members-voting against it. There were about a dozen absentees, but in pairing with their opponents across the House they also registered their approval or dis- approval on party lines. By a vote of 67 to 22, at 12.20 this morning, the Ferguson Government carried through second reading its O.T.A. plebiscite enabling bill in the Legislature. l/ll l PLEBISGITE BILL V 'i' ; CARRIES BY Elil MAJORITY & s IN LEGISLATURE i)fli)llmiflli) Ferguson Denies Government Is Undermining! Temperance Act---Merely Bowing to wir] of the Electors _---- "Wet" Sympathizer} Draws Rebuke From Ranev----Tories Silent; as King Tut's Tomb i PREMIER PROMISES NEW LEGISLATION FOUNDED UPON VERDICT OF. PEOPLE Six Months' Hoist, Moved by Progressives, ls Defeated by 80 to 11 When Liberals and Labor Members Line Up With Government -Subamendment Raising Constitutional Question Ruled Out of Order w at n, "A 't tt a. mh 13 ll, Outstanding. perhaps, in a terrific indictment of the Progressive forces, and especially of former Attorney- General Ranoy, with which Premier Ferguson addressed the House, was the Premier's discussion. as, if it were a decided fact, of consideration of new temperance legislation next ses- sion. Hits point of view was that Progressives had no Just complaint as to the abrogation of their rights because. after the vote, they could come back "next session" with the right to discuss and vote against the legistlation proposed by the Govern- men . But the Premier's issue with the former Attorney-General was that he had either sent or caused to be sent over the week-end "telegraphic propaganda" to the various tidings. which had resulted in a return deluge ot telegrams to members ot the House. Mr. Ferguson charged that. for political purposes, the point at issue had been grossly dis- torted into "an attack on the part of the Government on the O.T.A.." and he aroused a fierce protest on that score from Hon. Manning Doherty, in the absence of Mr. Raney. Mr. Ferguson declared that the Govern- ment proposed "an honest and '.boveboard vote," and predicted Telegraphic Propaganda. h posed procedure and intimated pos- sibilities ot a plebisr'itc proposal bo- ing hung up in tho courts indeti- nitely. Attorney-General Nickle, however, claimed tho course to he a perfectly safe one legally. Silence Surprises Sinclair. Mr. Sinclair. the Liberal Leader. mocking briefly, said he was some- what surprised at the silence on the Government side of the House. The only conclusion one could come to, he said, was that either they were talked out or were ordered not to talk at all. He had observed the pleasant smile on the face of the Prime Minister. and took that 'to mean that he would speak after he (Mr. Sinclair) had sat down. The Province was more anxious for the Prime Minister to speak on this de- bate than he was, for him to speak. There were others they expected to hear from, Mr. Sinclair proceed- ed. mentioning Messrs. Currie and McCausland. The silence of the tomb of King Tut seemed to have dropped down on the House since the. 6 o'clock adjournment. Mr. McCausland (in a very hoarse tone)--My silence is due entirely to my voice. " am sorry for your voice." said Mr. Sinclair. Proceeding he said hr: regretted that an amendment had been moved or an atnendrnctt to the amendment. The quz-stion, the Lib- orals argued, was on the principle of the bill and on the form in which it was brought in. Where Liberals Stand. that "a year hence," members on. poslte would endorse the course of the Administration. - Continuing, Mr. Sinclair said: "The Liberal members of the House propose to vote against both amend- ments. We are opposed to the bill. The main question is not whether there is or is not a demand for a vote at the present time. We say any vote taken should be a referen- dum, not a plebiscite. For, are we primarily concerned with the ques- tion whether this bill is or is not within the powers of the Assembly? Even it legal, it violates the princi- ples of constitutional government. We are opposed to giving the Gov- ernment power to submit any ques- tions it sees fit at any time and as often as it wishes. We will vote against any bill unless the Govern- ment takes the responsibility of in- corporating in the hill the questions to be submitted to the people." Premier Speaks. Former Attorney-General Raney introduced a new angle of attack on the bill when he raised the question of the constitutionality of the pro- pOInteu tum. out. "When this bill was introduced: the purpose of the late Attorney» General in seeking adjournment was, made apparent by himself. It was not that the bill should have fair discussion that he desired an ad- journment over the week-end, or: that the purposes of the Govern-f ment should be considered. but that he should have the opportunity over2 the week-end of lntlaming public," opinion or misleading the public for purely political purposes." l 1 Mr. 1:'Giatv--Avpuld it not have' been better If my honorable friend) mad sent word to the late Attorney-; (General? Because I have the gravy est doubt about the accuracy oC, what he says. l - u ' mm him be-I Premier Ferguson--- .'fore 6 o'clock to be don't think he will su not say it when he 1? Rising shortly before 11.30 at night, Premier Ferguson said: "Sel- dom, if ever. has there occurred in this Legislature a discussion 'that .. - '4 Alana "to- 1 "There has been the Sumatra; um statement of fact and distortion of circumstances in this debate for the purpose of misleading the public on the question," proceeded the Pre- mier. " My honorable friends straitthtway hied themselves to the telegraph 'irttice---" . - . "- "A T smoke to iifr."6ihiity---t.io, the GUttorney-Ge! and he denied it: ' to iniiile%ia,terttent.s him when 171_e"_is not to the late Attorney- nse I have the grav- t the accuracy of usorr--1 told him be- to be here. And I will suggest I would he is here. zen the grossest mis- Lct and distortion of n this debate toy the ...No, no. 1 Spun: Fcr -General about that t. I think it unfair cuts like that about not here. trpokf. to

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