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e 7 undaer P e of -- the Acts ring had spoken o t things. For it T :'Mu Jfi'-'ffi'&:':'r'utrucuon. There were several « a groat den! had been said about the, 'Nuq po "The bills introduced by his hon, & L4 i ions of Public ints in i o ref . -- mode of conducting the inspectio ® P': ds opposite to which he wished to refer,. Sciools being objectionuble,. In I»t. Hyersons Tiis hon, friend, the member for North Grey, time he appointed Inspectore of the ll'u.x l'd U a bill in which he sousht to compel the se none en Srnitrad. nhd mast" ks uchers of the Ioman C«tholic Schools io hold Schouls. Everybody admitted, and must &8 the aame class of certificatos as those of the | the result of experience admit, that the mey of Public Echools. The House had no power to tion of schools was essential to uy-ctflmehcy 0 L-h w measure. It was one of the rights the schools, No one could question that at nll._ pm:i':'(flozes confeired by the Constitulion, \' It they were to have efficiant schools tht] Theso people who were selected by the Roman ' \} must have thorough inspection, and have it by C :'; fi': body had a right to be appointed . « capable men, The inspection, as he had already it 'ho of the schools, and to be iy |. > , :ls.[u.d. was in l.hcllh's; instance z'u'r.'o'l;uml :n":f)l:: :"';;,:::d in that capacity. i ,'b * igh school Inspectors, an 10 & M i+ aclop t another system of ?,,g.i)t'\'Liul\ t"m'l' #a L)stll'lle({ ohl.tilt_)emz now six o'clock the Speaker le was -- tha h duties of High Schoo a d lnwectora[we;acso large that they could not Atte{,lljtlact;'s_s .\lfil'm\'(fi%'a?lt l:';"':":':";iinfi:e",'t[ gischarge the additional duties of faspecting in the bii l:og 'w,,. no provision for the bal-- the Separate Schools,. All their time was need-- MUC"""'" t ';';'OGO'.",,,",.,,(, believed that the ed for High Sghoo!l purposes. All their time lot. bflw""fill °l iupporters did not want t W us nec-iu.lBr their own iaspection, and the Heparate School s pp&o sime reasons !ort.:: Government recognised the necessity of mak-- ,';';{}fi",,'fl';f,fi'g-,.r.,"?l-n.oon elections as ln'ub' P q ar i l ® . s T * f » w = s "'AtA* Meredith--Why were not the Public Asmred usat the balion lvxv!a:'n:e:.-g:;:;g"fur-lM' School Inspeciors asked to perform the work? . | geated that the 1 "' Roman Catholies against » I'iwa:l.ornc)"h'onrrul---l \i\'m comchl.o l'hnt Flr?ilx':ct"l?,r'x;)' 'xihmfé possessed themselves noxt, bu. the hon. member is in such & tre-- 16 1erk®-- es havt) srlss ! mendous-- hurry. -- (Laughter.) Ho -- woulid of all the mm".""'"mf.1"':]".?11'18 S.Ilrleh. .:r}). | answor that at once _ by _ explaining Jeot, prediiig. «Aifnl xu"-. clergy of the what they actually _did. 'They provideu no antagonism between ' u.; fi.fyt church some . infenendent . Inspretory" for. Sepal ns peraean tihe cietey ty ts aes on the ate Schools3 instead of increasin the s--LIUt p Ns a » t w number of Pablic S:hool lus;mc'.ar:'lo do people of the Church of 'Home reareha '.h" '}!lw | the work. Dr. lyerson, whose great experi-- utmost coniidence, respect and sy mlgat_.-}. p e | ence in all matters relating to education con-- should deceive himsel{, and so would the Pro-- stituted him one of the highest authorities on testant public, if they "'".'k any other view. To evorything connected therewith, thought that impose the ballot on Separate school sup-- to appoint Public School Inssectors for the, {:urlers from a Protestant standpoint conld not work was not the bost way of dealing with the e but extremely unwise--to impose it before dificulty. 'The Government upon his adgice they were ready would delay raher "h."Nh'"' appointed Separate School Iuspectors apart ten their disposition to adopt :."" b"'""':'f °"£ allogether from the Public School Inspectors. IW'l""i'""' "'}"m is bo '; ('!'-d di or%n Aud the men selecteqy for the otfice were | mpression. . Politicians, he did . not be-- Roman Catholies ; and they did so for various lieve, could hbave any ot hfr view than ressons. 'The imen they selected were men of this, A good deal was said about the corporate energy, men of experience, mon of zeal; 4 vote, nud.lhu.l such was the influence of the men well qualified in every way to do oman Catholic clergy that the corporate vote the work, and imen who were interested in was subject to their opinion, If so, it would be doisg the work in the best possible way. subject to lncirm!!m-u.rc nol}vilhs(mgdmg the Surcly every one would seoe that competent oxistence of the ballot ; and if, notwithstand-- men of thoir owa teligion would have far ing the ballot, this would be the case, what greater influence in the schools than Pro-- they said demonstrated that they did not at all testants would have even if they were equaliy believe whut they professed as to the powers eftlcient, und that they woulid be far more of the clergy, -- Hig own idea was that it would | | likely than anybody else to increase the not make n particle of ditference, It was | | efficiencs of tfio schoois. 'The snime thing for the ltoman Catholics themselves to | | applied of course to tho Protestaut Schools, siy when. the _lims nad _ come | for | and hbe did not know any cuse in which a the _ adoption _ of _ the _ bailot _ sy Stc".'; ) itoman Catholic was appointed Inspector of It @as to bo remembered that they wore 60 | Pubtic Sechools, 'The paronts and gusardians yea's in this country--or the people of this of Protestant children would feel that cogniry were here for that timne--before they much more would be done by a Protestant | wore prapared to "d""': the ballot for Parlia-- Inspector in their. schools than by a | mentary ulectigus, aud tho ballot in municipal oman Catholic. 'The Government wanted elections did not come for a couple of years to make the Separate Schnools as efficient !""f""- Then they had the option of the baliot as possible, as it was their duty io do, and they in Public Scnool cleciions withough not one-- t!zuugh: they could do it more effectualiy by third of the Pnbhc Echooal l!ur-,us or school appointing toman Catholic Inspectors than by sections had availed themselve® of using it. appointing l'r:)lcsrl:mls.l (Hear, hear.) One lir, Meredith--1t does not apply to rural hon. member complained, and perhaps more seciions. P ; than one complained, that lh:: lnlxxlel of Mr-- Mowat said it did not waiter. There Separate Schooi Inspectors were puid out of ( were a very large proportion that did not avail the public treasury, But it must ve remeim-- | thomselves of it--that was the point. Thal! bored that throughout the whole Province, | showed that Protesiant School supporters were | from east to wosl, there wore only two In-- | Noi propared for the adoption of the ballet. spectors for Separate Schools, and if they were | Time must be given for llI'l these things. in l rot men of exceptioncl coergy and ability | some cases the ballot had been adopted, and it | they could not do the work at all, As a maiter lind been regretied. His own uwini"u; \\.an that | of fact the complaint was not weli founded. | the baliot must be ndopted fo: 'ull their Public | Thoy were partly paid by the Province and | Sechools, but it must be left to their option t partly from a fund to which Itoman Catholies Mr. Meredith--What m".m"'.'u'alil'y. rc:'rell | cortribuied. ifthey entered into a calcuiaion | having adopted the ballot? _ I * | of how much they would have to pay to Public | | _ Mr. Mownat--I have heard of one in Huron School Inspectors, they would firnd that the | . Mr. Gibson 1llnrm;,--~'l"\~.'..l cnlli ghten y'ou 'al amount contributed by the trousury to the | to that. 'The only sugzostion of :-'\"x'icm-u that | salaries of the Separate School Ingpectors was | Separate School -v'\'.;;lv.:l"u:l'\i were 1' pe for L'l:e not more than they would have to pay to the | ballot eame from his hon '?xunduup':u-ai'en who additional Public School Inspectors who would | referre.i to the number '('){ Roman 1':n'ho'.io be required to do the work. Practically. the J children attending Public \'cho'ols and ln'son.\o Reparate School Inspectors woere paid for by way or uthc': > )c ~did 'not know the HRoman Caiholics uat of their own money, .| 'v.\hu".i\' how had _ nr';;;;-d from that Considering ihe efiiciency of theo -"cual'uio' | that 'Roman' Catholies ~Wert in' some | Schools, he maintained that the most de-- | way or other in fuvor of the ballot '\\'él' if siruble thing to do was to appoint those In-- | | there were Roman Catholics £7'E'-»'nu' 'l"'; specters. (Cheers.) There was another point | | Public Schools . in p.",.,',; \'\'l'\c* ~"va'- .'", ."L that hon. members complained about, and that -- | Sceparate Schools. certainly _ tho '"]% hat was that in the Act of 1879 provision was made j Catholies who sent their children ':f'(\r'o'l:"-n for creating Separate Schoois into Model | not in need of the L";"t;; tion of the ba peg sel.'e Schools. 'ThoSection relating to this provided: ' in spite of the alleged inf en :0 \'f-t-|' i raor.sey' "The Education Department may suthoriso a } they did tnis, they were nut Lhe beoul "f' Separato School in any county to be constitnt. I whom the ballot was '_,"';"" l'.'" " tl u'r ' ed a Model School for the training of teachers | They had had x'.o.L'cn:Ion 'L;;' 'l{o "lh":)(t' ?')' ' for Separate Schools,subject to the regulations Senarate Schools ; no "ca(""l"ul';) 1n '1;)' ort r'{. j of the Department, and where in any courty the ballot for Svl'ar"ie ~A¢|' { 'l';"-." r.._) ! g -- 6 "cho 6 » j + r L * such Model Scheol has been estabiished, or | twe orthre > u("wsp."m\-'u"ff,'ff !h t e count 'f from the spocial cireumstances of the Separato supported by the j)pn,;"\ { '" 1 .l? -.'ufm.r_v Schools therein the Minisier of Education noue of them 'a'L:ke..T £ t """'g"]'l '"l'?. "l"d' should desm ii -:xpcdionl.'he may recommond was no evidence for it 'or"l ie ballot. -- 'There i for appointment by the Licut:nant--Governor was any evidence, it w nt to nrave Nha ue in Council some one competont person, possess-- Wary, so very -.|, rht \'.',n: 10" I'I'O\L' the con-- ing qualitications prescribed by the KEKducation l which the hon. & Ll hy ,"l' "ro""'! npon N epartiment to be a Heatruer « i B C -- genileman was urging his logis-- p s of the County lation, Now, as io Mr. Meredith's bilis Board of Examiners of such county in addition | one of t.l.mm:,mJ (' Ciomat en eredith's b}']" In to the number nrow authorised, and who sha'l : appenred to ('h-':t F J'o"f"'.m"'," the bailot--he possess and discharge the like pewers and with p-- 1,-,,-0,".0","."({['.'2- l""~0" this subjiect , El)u;ies aull:ohul(;wr ll;u-m!)vm of the Board." with r.-shuci (:. 'uv'"::.";.-lc::ognah::,zl\:vll}.i\s till"tz blection a cen -- made _ to hi Mowa tog ic ha' nrfras _ e CMP. and how many of these schools had boeon o::x'l\lf: t.fac:«vni'yu :cl;_ l"- wo_.l.d e it poiriinannonts | lishea? Although there had been an enact. wh 1"'_"',00i'fli)t<)tfll.ek}ullo; on .\g;vnrgleSt'hO(fli'l ment passed, thero was not one in existence i So-- A . IALTG PHon as to Public Schouls, nor had there ever bon one, " which had nl'lot""a::;;;:)lu*dmlllupL:.'L:clll'ct hcuoo,l': Mr. Meredith--That is a small mattor. bave it imposed upon them by thi': bu'fml.{o The Attorney--Goneral--My hon, friend says objected to that. 1t should be left to their own f@ this is a small matter, but at most everything option, as it was now. Well, that was the that be nas raised upon the statute had bccfi elfect of the biil, nnd that -- was cou-'l small maiters,. But he wished to point out Lary, to _ all sound principles of le-- that there could be no grievance as regaris gislution--at | least to Libera] ideas of these Model schools, for the Separate Su'{wuls legislation, Then thgre was his otker bill--the bad furnished no Model Schools, _ lio knuw of Acl respecting Separate School supporters, ;w '""'f\:," fimz_ had (mk,," Iud\'antn.:e of this The lll{;: seciion of that Act assumed that a w. e Aitorney--General then de i nod 1e lue w no w s » the powers of legislation in respoct L:lgc';::: might _ become _ entitiecd hw?g :sscs':.l--l::'l)nltl || ate Schools, provided underithe Constitution as a Separute School supporter without There wore difficulties, he said, in applyinx tho having given the mBotice which tho law re-- constitutional law to the various cases as they quired. . He objected to that provision of his arose, _ He thought it was perfectly cloar bill which said that * notwithstanding any «ithough they had passed regulatoins arnd provision to the contrary," etc, llo' ;M)' although they might amend the statutes, that there were no provisiuns to the con-- they had no powe? to stop religious instruction lrary, , As to the sccond section, -- it Mr, Meredith--Where does the hon, gentle. | Wwas 80 absurd that ho ould man lind a word about réligious instruction in ; hardly believe that it was Irom the hand :)l?:ll the whole of the Act? I lewcer of the Opposition. Hie proposed to mnkl; The Attorney--Gsneral said the hon. genile-- | it the duty of the Clork to make the ne-- * man knew pesfectly well that the Denomina-- cessnry _ eniries . upon the _ roil He ; tional Schools or separate Schools were estab. | '*'"'V"'"" bo.. _ appeai _ no _ machinery, | lished for that, and the Act provided that the | he said in his bill that any error of theo Clork | s Lefitlnture had no power to intorfere with the | suould not be conclusive,he provided no in f T existing rights of any class as regards religious | of correcting such an error. -- lie did not Lo'ns {;m"i('niion' g. h.'fl{no do;ldb' w,l,gt"m. that ' ho\'l' U{:se \'l'yl;e to be guarded., no w 10 rivy oune wou ho h AMr, Merediih--Su F House bad no _Jurisdiction, no pto:'or":: mistuke now ? [ipouug the Cierk n.mke.;