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ym ~y ie s ++ M tnlutl. . e a basis that is gosng'to do equal justico to all, the Provinces. That the peopie wili not be satis* fied where a partnership oxists, if this is no4 don1 and that Ontario baing the largost contrilmitor to Dowinion revenue will not be centent if the other Provinces aroe to get all the bonefiis, It was said last ses .ion that Ontario contributed two--thirds of all thea 1 minion revenue, but even taking the amount at one--half, Ontario will be called upon to pay $1,300.000 of the sum which was granted to Quobse by the Domin:ion a year Ago, _ Will she be contont to return that tha Dominion should return to Quobec that amount Boifalo & Lake Huron..... Bytown & Preseott........ BHeriin & Preston.......... Brockville & Ottawa, C P Canada Atlaniic.......... Canada Central, C P R..., Canadsa Southernm.......... for her road without getting a single dollar for her own ? I havo a statemeont here showing the amounts exp:nded by the Provinos of Ontario on roads ;:-- Crodit Vall¢ey, C P H...««sskcssiss6ses Covourg. Peterboro', & Marmora.... Erit & NIMQHEG.:::¢c.ir.18 ¥«ra¥civ:«s Urand Truuk, Georgian Bay, & Lake Cheby de HHOOKK:'. . icicrriiessrreessrrs s +3 Chult &5 OOUOIDR: : cc.ss. cerrres cartss sys s CHEWIC FIMUORIOEL . .sxiwvi«rs0e «rivs:+ss liamiiton & North-- Western.......... Kiraston & Pembroke................ London, Hunron, & Brauce............ London & Port Stanley................ Lake Simooe Junction..............>-- TEMENHNLL . a+. : « «x u6+ cutu un es sovis s u4658 EOX HRHOEUL : c «4e w0r en c c o un on £ 4¥ 9 x $vieus Prince Edward County.............. Peterborougch & Port Hope........... 'Foronto, Grey, & Bruce, C P R....... 'Toronto GNIDisgINRG.......... ... :.:.« ; TROEORMELL L1 .:. .+ srcirl is rets veus Welima@ton, Grey, & Bruce.......... PV LNAE 1 1 «+ sat uns s s u+ s xcu ¥ T6 s sXA¥ s 64 Whitby, Port Perry, & Lindsay...... Lhuuil!ou& Liakt KriGg......««.«s«..«s o T. KARTHELHQ + s t + 51 c + «s c« s a n a uw s 4 + 8 48 MOFtE CGHEGY : . 1. +. 2s irk s ¥%1105% s 4446 1446 Port Dover & Lake Huron........... T%. HENHOUNE:. .1 1. .640' i ve.s e r 4626 ¢% + 48 Brantford, N. &P. B.........««+.+« Believille & N. Hastings............. Ytl® C MULON. .. 22000« ss rxx «rsrk1 4188 + sUMMARY SHOWING TOTAL MUNLCIPAL . EFACH --RAiLWAY. Hr, WHITE--Essex did not aid tho Credit Vatley, 'Three municipalities gave $15,000 each to the Canada Southern. Hon, A. M. KOSS--This Information is taken from the Sessionai Papers of the Domiuion for 1882, Now I come to the for the current year, which I will read to the House. Mr. CARNEGIK--L understand you expect $115,000 from Crown lands ? Hov. A. M. ROSS--This is the amount given me by the Commissioner of Crown Lands. We expect to do better, but we have taken $95,000 less than what we expected last year We hope some measure ofi relief will coms to our :'ndmtt'w- by the interposition of a kind Provis encs _ Mr, MEREDITIHE--It will certainly mot be through the hon. gentloman and his friende Hon, A. jM. ROSS--Certainiy not, we have never claimed witnin our pswer. 'The hon, zenvleman and his friondsa havo claimed that it was within the power of legisiation, and they have failed to prove it, (Hear, hear.) Hon,. gentiemen will notico aconsiderable reduction in the amount we expoect to derive from li-- censes, Last year wo estimated -- $200,000, and received $211,000, This year we on:y esti-- mate to regeive $168,000,. -- This is eaused by the adeoption of the Scott Act in a number of coun ties in the Province. I may mention that the eatimsted reduction in those countiss amounts to $:3,000. You may see in the estimates the sum of $2,000 regarding the ':\gr}culmnl » and Arts uTh 12 bracaulich s in ~ui' . 00 dtr eP -- u. 0 t Association, _ IDwice last Session a settloment has been made wheroby we have agreed to accept from the Association the sum of $2,000, ann also guaranteein« ton years' free use of their rooms-- now ccoupied by the Buroau of Industries and the Provincial Board of Health, The teotal osti-- mated receipts ars $2,585,148 90. It will be seen by hon, gentlemen that this estimate does not cover our ostimated exponditura, EXPENDITURE AXD RECEIPTS, With regard to the relations of ex ponditure to receipts I may say that we have a growing popu-- lation, and every year thore are new demands R ' @ESTIMATED RECEIPT3 rBOrO, & MABCNIGKSM...:ssss.«cc¢sr.11«s Cherirdurk is LW ¥eura¥irssrssrrrarrssss118's Georgian Bay, & Lake lWrie......... e HNebeis Ahar neit en Ris reviis asa s P92 .+ ON . .v kssc uk es n dnc rnna t n n en is 6 d 9 4s LOTTie WOSROFNE «s s as css is css ui uns i ¥x us CUUROTONCL. . . . s criks u0s cor s1 saa s us s us Pm o BENHCGC......cccccesserrsieces vs 4s Eo CRMICY!,.....crrrccrsrs. n+64¥¥4 62441 5% PUNCHIUNL ; .. cx«iss cccus s¥1ss rsr464s e 448'% s u uon e ue n w w en un ww n w w n h t 9 ty y w ue ne un n dn w n n RAILWAY. our consequent expendiiurs increased, _ Last session the Dominmon Parliament granted Quebsc a sum of $2,396,000 upon the plea that they bad given aid to the construction of a line of raiiway which had been declared to be for Dominion in-- terests, _ Duriog the summer Manitoba sent a deputation to O:tawa seoking an increased sub-- made u made ngon Us, We have thouglii i\ DOST in Ca#o of a defciency of revenue to me«t the expendi-- ture, to take it out of the available surplus rather than increase the burdens of. the people. 'There will this year be a alight excess of expenditure over reccipts. Last year I took the ground that our rovenue, so far as the amount received from the Dominion Parliament, ought to receive an increased subsidy as our population inore'asod,'md $ 1,278.000 324,000 2:0,030 1,3504.00), 130,000 147,500| 322,cooi 1,850.00)' 613,500, 203,000 929,000 $13,951,216 $ 1,3365,997 $12,624.849 25,000| 180,000 208,000| 170,600, 488.000 311,500 569,400, 109,000] 144,870, 631.980 93,500 1,100.0.0 983,000 sidy, and also during the last four weeks we have seen that they _ wore putting _ forward asdditionali elasims. 'Thenthero ars provinces ind «bt-- odto the Dominion Government. 'The province of New Brunswick drow the subsidy for 1885 in 1384. Sbo the other Provinces from time to time are going to the Dominion Government on spe-- cious pleas, and secking adhitional grants, and it is time that Oa--ario should bae going forward in order that we should be placed on a proper basis, Te basis of confederation has not bean found to be a satisfactory one, as the fast that almost all the Provinces have put forward claims to special grants proves,. -- Buat the system of mak-- ing #pecial grants by the Dominion Parliament is very pernicious in its effects, and results in the Province concerned F I t annnnlllls, | mnnmme ® nnmmenmnins | menmcay ammmnn BEIXG CARELES§ AND EXTRAVAGANT l in their exponditures. _ It would appoar that they think they bave nothing to do if they get into debt and embarassed but to go to the D »minion Governmsnt for a grant. I propose that the lubsidg to the Provinces should be increased as the pobulation increases, 'Tuis is the only fair and equitable basis, and would be reasonable for: a'l. -- As it is now, the Domminion gets all the ad--. rautage arising from the iacreased popuiation, whilo we ars getting none, only having to pro-- vide for the increased expenditure consequent an increasod population. This Province provides a large sum for settling emigrants, and as this increases the popuilation who must have clothing and other articles upon which Customs and excise dutios are levied, tho Dominion Government benefits by the increase, while the Provinces does not. -- The Province is also called on for incroased expenditures on account of schools, hospitals, charities, etc., and it is time that the Provines looked the malter in the face, and make arranges ments for the increased revenue needed. The total revonue derived from the four Provinces at 1867 was $13,077,928, and of that thers was aps portioned to these four Provineas $2,753,966, or a little less than one--fifth went to the Provinces and four--fifths to the Dominion. Now from these four Provinces the Dominion Goverrment re-- ceived revenues in 1884. $31,871,961, and they gave in subsidica $3,606,672, or a little over one. ninth the total reveuue. It was considered an equitable division that on . Confedera« tien the Provinces should receivae one--fifth the total amount of revenue on Confederation, yet last year they m;lx received one--ninth, Shough they aro compelied to provide for the in« creased expenditure. _ If the amount granted to the Provinces had increased in the same propors 226,500 185,000 622,000 190.000 242,040 $ 322,000 § 108,000 88,001 173,000 E = 159,000 64,000 61.0091 6 000 31,000 49,00), 22, 72,000 41,999 47.993 93.030 PROVINCIAL AID TO 955.000', 216000 152,00); 1,181,090 139,000 117500 1,035,000; 543,500; 210,003 923,00 ) 19,000| 149,030; 208,000 115,336) 448,030 311,500) 529,429 109,000' 122,810 631.930, 93,010 912.000 $16,000 $44,501 136,000 6354 002 27,000 <~ a gx? & =Q 322,000 AZ 3 $%6,630,085 $20,501,952 451.837) 534,887 125,957| -- 243,457 214559 527.009 18,102) | 18.702 790.903) 1,831,900 18,171410, -- 6352,.210 £0, EY DJme Tt . +221 ... hOOG 229,8% 1,163.886 h eor'ss 25,000 22. .t ~ © 1200,008 2178.057) 436,000 721.097. 1,5035,293 530,555 1,078,533 ',;68,859! 583339 se esc al 509, 430 530130 -- 153.00) 71,297| 7.921 207,034) _ 352354 155,249) 787.128 1595,320 _ 249.020 .20I; _ 1.921 207,034) _ 352,404 155,2498, 787.123 195,520 _ 249.020 an+zi4| 1,100,000 461,%4 1419,34 105.2314, _ 491.712 §37.317. 723,817 $i1.2%0 _ 93.2170 mm ssel 19,,000 on -- waxd 7"?:(7)2"{; 75,147 040 41,010 125,000 _ 126,000 Nres | 1ites .333 29,55 114,206 114.2% 122.834 125,834 129,799] 66,030) 15,147) 41,040 125,000 144,211 123.553 114,206 123,854 $ 1.278.033 324,003 220,000 _ 1,354,000 | DERIVED FROM THE l in 1867 from Castoms &and | while in 1884 it was $23 | g12,1:0 !' $12,1:0,777, or nearly 120 per cent. -- It may be said that these years dp:x': properly represont the | proportion, but by taking the average oi the first |three and the last three years of Confaceration I | e acera n I 'find that the sums recoived from Oatario smdl 'i Qaebse for 1867 8 9 and 1881 2.3 woare $9,7 ; 1, 987 | aud $21,345.789, or an increase of $11,570,802. 1 Mr, MEREDTFH--That is Mr. Norquay's Ereumens." .. C BE uc C T uon as the amount Gderived from thein the sum would have beenu $5,950,000 instead of $3,606,672. Lookiug at the amount rec«ived from Customs and exciso the rosult is that the amount -- lion. A. M. ROSS--That is a good argamant. I{ it is in the interosts of Manitoba and Qusbec it is in tha interests of Ontario, C N l are to gain * ECS OR C1 Hon. A. M. ROSS--It on'y shows that we are justified in mraking a move, Every other Pro-- vince has got allowances and Ontario is the only Province which has not got it _ Mr. CARNEGIE--In 1885? Hon. A. M. ROSS--This Provinca than got what every o.her Province got. _\Vhether we Emm Ni Memoay Sm it Sn oo caleu'ate the gross amount received by ths Dominion 'rom the Provinces or only the amount of iax pec head. In 1867 the tax per hoad for customs and excise was $3.74, and in 1884 it was $5.86, aud the whole of this large increase the Dominion Government absorbed, for there was no addition -- gmven to the Provinces generally ex-- cept what addition was given in 1873. So 1 say that it is only right thait the subsidy should be increased every ten years, as I am satisfiod that if the prssent financial basis is to be continued the Provinces will not submit, The Provinc«s cannot provide for an increased expenditure with ' & Slatianary rovenue, | bic. MEREDITH--How do the United States | manage ? ' _ Hon,. A. M. ROSS--By levying direct taxes, | If they treat us all alike as the States are all | treated alite, I would not grumble, but the pre= . sent system of exceptional grants leads to per-- | | nicious extravagance. | _ Mr. MEREDITH--You doao't agree with Mr. | Blake, who proposes to avbolish subsidies * t Hon. A. M. ROSS--I don't care if they do talce | the subsidies away and leave us to diroct taxa~ . tion, if they troat us ail alike. But I don t think . that was Mr. Biake's proposition. L believe his . proposal was to take the subsidies away, and that | certain revenues now collected by the Deminion ] should be collected by the Provinces, Not con~ tent with refusing us the increased subsidy, how-- ever, they have endeavoured to take away revenue we collected long before and also since Confederation. 1 _ Mr. MEREDITH--No, no. ' | AH;-n. A. M. ROSS--What is the McCarthy | Act? Mr. MEREDITH--That does not take any revenue, Hon. A. M. ROSS--It does take away revenue, the revenue arising from vessel licanses and wholesalelicenses. So far, however, the Pro-- vincial Government of Ontario has provided for all its expenditures, add yet has a surplus enab-- ling us to meet any extra demands. Bat this bas been done by ecomy and good Government, and if we are in a beiter position than some of the other Provinces it is not right that that should be cast up as areason why grants should be given to tha other Provinces and not to us. What has been the result of this? Have we not seen that when the proposition was mado to the Dominion Goucrument that the Provines.of On-- tario should receive equal justice with the Prow vince of Quebec in the matter of retarning to it a portion of railway aid granted by the Province Did we find, Sir, the representatives of our Pro-- vince gonmerally supportiog that proposition * No Sir, we find it voted down by the voices of the ropresentatives of;the Provmces of Ontario. 1 say that it is time that the people of this Pros vince should insist and take a firm stand i.nrre; i'Iru MEREDLTH--W ho is p'zomp; to logs if ai k 41 1 in iA c3 d 110 40. 0024 A . ut d as o dsn \atnt " Saats gards to this matter. If they do, I am satisfied' that they will be succe--sfull in securing equal rights with the other provinces, and I am saus6-- ed that they will insist upon a more equitable and permanent baisis of confederation bath financial« 1y and constitutionally which will give to the Province of Ontario those rights which under the present administration at Ottawa so unfairly de» nieda to us. . Mr. Speaker I now beg to move that you do leave the chair. Mr. CREIGHTON commenced by congratulat-- ing Mr. Ross on his finauncial statement--and also-- expressed pleasure that the Hon. 'Freasurer was at last taking to heart the promptings of the Opposition for a long time past, in roference to the management otf the Public Accounts. W contended that the municipalitiee bad not ro-- ceived fair troatwment at the hands of the Government, who acknowledged the justice of their claim but faileq to grant it He charged the Hon. Treasurer with making over--estimates on outlays of the Government for the--purpose of devoting the excess to some object that they wors evidently trying to conceal, He said tho Trea~ surer had always beon flaunting a statement that thero was a largo surpluas in his handsg -- avd claimed that in so doing a system of concealment had been carried on ; by including in his list of assets money owing for twenty years paSt, but at the same time he failed to include tho liabilities excise was« $11,580,968, 911.745, an increase of FOUR PROVINOES