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I H ~A ( w [ f €: sideration. _ It was contrary to the previous of the university difficulty he suggested the legislation of the Province. Referring to establishment of a Committee analogou t -- ' the University of Toronto, he said that he the Central Education Committce gth]_do 4 thought it was a noble idea of the honoured should have the sole power of holdiny cxl 8 Robert Baldwin that he took :xwu_vdfrom l(mé- aminations in the Province,. o acg denomination the endowment and applie L % it for the general education of the people. M'f B,\P{R t'l'lt that with "'e'"""'mhnflllts ' The step taken in 1853, when the Univer-- [rr}opu%u ')..t""", 'Mh'ustcr of E«lucation the sity acquired further and distinct funtions, o 1/ ('l";'"{ safeguard was provided, and that was a great advance. It was to be regretted t.hcf CMSe cou!d' on 'Jfl-*'t grounds proceed to | hat collegos did not recognize the broad (un'cx t'l'xc powers asked in the Bill, Ag © 4 basis on which the University was founded. thcx'o"\'lni l,)(t) 'prospcz:t ot the university 3 | The principle or policy upon which the })o".m bl l»':l.nll., alq-'n_ from' thc.mhvr g:o!]qgcg, | 7 University of Toronto had been founded, or 10 f"'_"' "'""_l no f'*'J"L't in withholding the | | on which it was desirable that it should be powers sought for by the west, i ' maintained, was on its trial in this Bill. Mr. MACDOUGALL (Simeoe)} remom | ' | Ho thought that if the learned and opulent bered the carly struggles in connection wjt'-, | | body applying for university powers would the establishment of our Provincial Unive 1'-- ' | cast in their lot with the Uni-- sity system, and he believed the hon. mem. | | versity, it might induce other bodies to affi. ber for Stormont (Mr. Bethuns) had eutirely | liate themselves with the University, and misconceived the intentions of the Rcfui'uwr{ tend to promote the purpose for which the of those days. King's College was t;w{, | University was established. He thought that under the control of the English Chureh | the intention of the hon. the Minister of and was regarded by the peop]\; as a mono. ' Education would not be fulfilled by his pro-- poly ; and he had a vivid recollection, as a posed amendment, _ He himself would not young Reformer, of assisting to destroy that be inclined to question the manner in which monopoly ; but in doing that the Reformers | the proposed university would be conducted. had no intention of creating another mom,'. He imagined that the House would grant poly. The hon. member for North Bruce him, in the event of this Bill passing, like | (Mr. Sinclair) imagined that he was de. privileges were he to ask them for, say, the | fending Reform principles in advocating this | Baptist College at Woodstock,. Of course it system of University ('\:rlu:tivm.m;_c Ilo | was to the interest of denominations to have (Mr. Macdougali) repudiated, on behalf of | their own universities, but their higher the honest Reformers of the country, any | interests would be served by maintaining | such idea. (Laughter.) What were 'hm{ | such a university as that of Toronto, He | members objecting to? Simply the riw'..': | | therefore moved, secorded by the hon. | of the people to spend their own m w,.r\\'.: I% member for Stormont, «That the order be ' was said that the degrees of the smaller \ discharged, and that the Bill be referred universities were inferior. What o :i; it ? back to Committee of the Whole House, | --the people were saiisfied with them a' § ! with instructions to amend the same by | oxistence of different de nominations i". thi |\ strikimg out 'university powers' in the : country excited, he contended, :h:*. i m ' preample and in the first section and the | lence and libcorality of the people adberins | whole of the seventh and eighth sections ; | to them, and the tendeoncy 1,3';;'. ) people , | and by s.trikinj_; out '.uui'vcrslty' in the title Canada to thus separato mto differ ;'t di'_ of the Bill and substituting 'tceollege,'" nomingtions was not to be despised. Th Mr. BETHUNE was astonished that the University of 'Toronto was merely an ex. Government did not oppose this Bill. _ The amining body; it did not provide any | University of Toronto was a main feature in acadsmical fiustruction. and he comld not / the national system of education, and | see what returns the Senate made for the already the Church of England had | expenditure the people were called upon to a University College in the Province. Where | make for that institution. was this matter to stop? Was it to stop |\ ___Mr. HODGINS denied the representations only when the value of the university de. of the feelings of the earl CTS. 4J A $ngr®h i gs iga s r 8® arly Reformers, as gree was destroyed ? -- He sympathised with | made by the hon. member for South Sime tlgltl)ll'cl'*fl]i-" "';"i"].\li"gtfw the powers of the ' The contest of tl;o carly l{cform::n!l i:)(t(;le(; ill, but he could not consent to the sacri-- p BPSItYy 3 fice of the most vital part of our education. | g:'attltlel)zf)g{:;";;l.sllgt edXECatlon]wu; * sont(?st Wouldanyone say that there wasany compari. | (Hear. hear }® 1 1Gf 'a. C eonarane nLhurc}m. t f c | (Hear, hear.) *Just as we had decided that in f A oo 1t the value of Albert College degrees | our Public and High School systems there ¢ Iniversity of Toronto Hrrang 1 y | / n sVO LdE Cre '; ':lr.le' l(,zltllr\:lltlfyxn( t\\'lal:Ucl-iil(;;tl(ll:/nl'fi:'n ?mu'lil'(fi& | | should be no sectarian feelings, but that the / Presbyterians would never have asked foruni-- | tl:g(:}l)lz :};g::lltll 33')({{'0? 'u"}]tl ""_' "_'0{ pleased, versity powers for Queen's College had there | was f'ou'mlvd on tl] 1'm'e)r>8 }f-r-:y.ste:n'be. uy been a Provincial University, 'He asked the same princi llc """'; asis, go\o"mrd by the House to look at Trinity College and | game rul'txl«x 13 (sf] e C(-milllct('u by the $ say if it had beena success. -- He would pre-- | ho iuf 't, fn.; our school systgm, .nnd it was fet to see the University of Toronto taken | | l~/ .)'o_ the House 'to 11311111(:.111 the'no:). to Londonh than give every--town in the Pro-- | | t'n:l')tOl]Xln\\"Ull.'ll clmm'cxm- of our educational | vince such powers. He would. rither | | h.)x b.('II].([[C(].Y'_,II('(\]-,) Were we going to destroy | consent to have the Examining Board go to I ;]'lf m.)'nl-:lc,-nomnnmou:ll llll:\'('l-sll)' syst« m-- London and confer the degrees there, but ." Plf(. L (-he. glory, uml'uhe. b'.m"t.()f this | j one thing he must and would maintain as | | u')um'u --by giving sectarian institutions the | necessery--that the value of degrees bo 11')\;0} to F'()le\fr degrees, and to give an Qfii. kept up here. _ In the provision of the Bill l on it fo those who would become Figh | that the standard should be as high in Lon-- mc 1'"01 'tCflL']wrs.or \'vho would present them- | don as in Toronto he saw only a reason that St:lwt's for examination before the Law Socie-- | the examining should be undertaken by :"' i ?tlncr professional bodics? 'J'll]'"""ws" f the same body. He was anxious that Queen's -lm.l mios 6 a great estent one of public po. | and other Colleges should give up their ticy, and he regretted that the Government , charters, and that students from ail parts "ud, not Cona'ldcr.cd ]t{"'f'" duty to have a should come and stand upon the same policy on the subjecé similar to that which ground in competing for degrees. _ If there they had with regard to our Public School were any religious tests there might be a C e Cl -- ".0 .kn""" the large sympathy, reason for trying to accommodate the body the liberal. feeling, and the high character 1 applying for these powers. -- He considered of {he ('hslmgmam-d prelate who was /o that by the university powers of these iso. specially interesting himself in this insti-- i lated colleges being surrendered,the value of tution; but, though his sympathics in re-- k degrees would be raised and the colleges L(nrd t'o Church matters went with that dis-- themselves benefitted. If these powers wore tinguished prelate, he was bound to do his granted, the; difficulty would be made in-- duty to the public in giving his influence superable of taking away these separate | in favour of the maintenance of our national powers and concentrating the granting of | Syitem of education in its present efficiency. degrees in one university . l He therefore intended voting for the amend-- Mr. CLARKE (Norfolk} was convinced | ment of the hon. member for North Bruce. that there shomd be but one standard of | _ MrCAMERON said that he must sup. university education, which should be con-- | | port the amendment proposed, as it tended centrated in the grand national uni--, t? support the national University, While versity. If one denomination had university Reform principles did not much matter to powers why should not all denominations him, he would in this matter rather support ¢ bave them ? He deprecated the depreciatory the Reformers of the present day than the remarks of the preceding peaker in refer. Reformcrs of the by--gone time who sat be-- ence to the Albert College, _ As a solution side him. (Loud cheers and laughter.) : id & j y o T i l l c s h ue e es io CE Ne e efi ce n is .