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a half of dollars had been exaci@y in the Model Grammar School, and they might as same position as this fund. _ Hon. genl'le- well propose to do away with the Model men ppposite, however, objected to its being Public school on the ground that it was speut solely on an Order in Council, and solely for the benefit of 'Toronto, as why did they not place the endowment fund seek to destroy Upper Canada Col-- as effectually under the control of Parlia-- lege because its purpose was purely | moent? _ This present Reform Government a local one. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) P had given them them the only precedent Hon. gentlemen were like children who a that had ever been given in this Province pulled up flowers by the roots to see if they for the expenditure of money without the woere growing; they wished to wipe out J consent of the people's representatives, He Upper Canada College before it had time to $ belicved that the Collegiate Institutes and exemplifty the effects of the policy under High Schools of the country were now which it had been established. _ 'The hon, s largely doing the work which Upper Canada member for South Simeoe had complained $ College had been intended to do, and he that $34,000 was too large a sum for salaries h J therciore thought large amounts should not in connection with University College; but i be spent on this particular institution, 'The in 1863, when there were only some thirty or people throughout the conntry supported forty students, the amount paid for the same Cl their -- Migh Schools by taxing themselves, purpose was $31,183, and surcly he could J f and they bhad in addition to support this not complain of an increase of $3,000, when college in Toronto, HMe was not sure that the attendance was nearly ten times what it the pupils from the country who altended was in 1863. (HMear, hear, and cheers.) The o that school were in the majority : there was hon. member for West Peterboro' had con-- # M ;/ t nothing to show that such was the case, tended that the policy which the Reform / NZ 'He quoted the statute to show that even a party had contended for in Opposition in us 3 4 CC Committee of the University Senate might regard to parliamentary control over the ) 4) € 4 spend this money, and contended that that amounts granted for railway aid, was dif-- Pss '.i' j ' was a state of things which should not | ferent from that which they were now con-- s f exist, | tending for in reference to University funds. t Mr. HODGINS peinted out that the Gov--| He (Mr. Hodgins) yielded to no hon,. | t ernment of which the hon. member for East | gcntrlc'man' in his adherence to the views ' f J 4 Toronto was a member had been the first | enunciated by the Reform party in regard | s that determined that the financial affairs of | to Parliamentary control over the appro-- the University should not be laid before | priations made to railways, and which were & Parliament, and yet the hon, member for | being exemplifiecd when that party were in East Grey had attacked his colleague office ; but the hon. member would find that Shate : from KEast 'Toronto in attacking the in the present instance he was riding a ; us Government for not laying that information principle to death, and leading himself into before the House. _ From 1864 to 1867 the an absurdity, There was little or no o hon. member for South Simcoe was Secre, analogy between the two cases." The a tary of the Province, controlling the parti-- endowment fund _ of the University f R cular Department of the Government that did not occupy the same position as was specially charged with the educational the one and one--half millions which interests of the country. He had as a 3""'1 been set aside for ?&llwav purposes, Minister carried through the Grammar The latter was a large portion of the public -,-'s"' School Act. Now he came forward and revenue left to the will of the Ministers of J o blamed the Government for not altering a the day O their own dctcrum}ation, t? be "'*fia?' a law which he himself had recognized when "lf[".('p""tcd wherever thc.' might decide, i Provincial Secretary. "uj that tl;e mode in which the University §* arer anentontict ncke 1 nnak <a fund was admmninistered? The hon. gentler R f,w lt'. being six o'clock, the Speaker left the | knew that the Governmert had%'irtuul:];'u;:. L chair. very small control over that endowment ; 3 3 After recess, that practically the financial nmnugcmcnt', 3 | Mr. HODGINS resumed, and road from of, the fund was in the hands of the | 2 the sessional papers of 1863 to show that governing bodies of the University, Th f : -- the Government of which the member for Mr. SCOT'T--You do not mean to say '*fi' : f South Simcoe had been a member bad ap-- that the Government has not power to take, | . } Aal f pointed a Commission to consider the whole eay, a million and a half of that endowment * M questuon of university endowment ; and that and spend it on university buildings ? ane of the rc-n,x.mnem!.uh' ns of that L'gnums- Mr. HODGINS said that the hon. gentle-- «e mon \'.:;'s'p'nw'llcull.\' in consonance with the man was welcome to make all he could of es c e e that hou, gentlcman was attack. that point; for most people who considered ing (o--day, _ The hon. gentleman had not the matteratall could see tho distinction be. s ' only gone 'l.:'.\ k on himself in that particu-- tween the two funds, and between the ele-- S lar; but, in referring to'thc alleged misap-- ments _ which _ respectively _ controlled propriation of university funds, which them, In they matter of the railway fund f:?;' had _ been: complained _ of _ by the the -- Government were left to deal : late _ William _ Lyon Mackenzie, he with the question of what railway should " was to some extent refAecting upon the be aided ana to what extent. The University l party w'hu'h his leader, the hon, member for endowmnent fund was controlled by trus. 4t East Toronto, considered the best .sct of. tees for the Government and:the Senate of oo rulers this country had ever had, viz., the tho University, composed of the representa-- tb Family Compact. (Hear, hear.) He (Nr. tive men of the graduates, and affiliated col-- 3@ Hodgins) was sorry to see an hon. gentle-- leges from the law societies, and from the e man who had once been a prominent mem-- Government of the country, The system w ber of the Reform party, and knew the carly pursucd in the management of the Univer. 3 bt.rug::l--'s of that party for the nationalization sity fund was similar to that in regard to of the University, taking a ground directly other trust funds, such as the Toronto Hos-- | opposed to . those early efforts .. fot pital and those of the law courts, Andl ~ there was bchind the present motion if Parliament was to have a voice . % ho. attemipt}. to | break ._ up _ the * in these matters, why not in the appropri-- | $ ; U"l"""'}'.\"e"'!"""""""l'"d divide it among ations for scholarships, and the salaries of | 3 f "lhlf dll'llolllllmtluljf\l "'U'";:"'cs' (Hear, hear.) professors, and the course of study which | it e hon. member for South Simcoe had the governing body of the University was | A u}yol'(cn in fa\'our of'(ln'ulmf,' the cndowm.'eut authorized to carry out? He hoped, that as | of Pppcr (agn:ula L(-llc-,:c. among the Col-- hon. gentlemen opposite had expressed the | s legiate Institutes and l{lgh Bchools; but fear that the appointment of a Minister ofi t . at the present moment they were appro-- Education would degrade educational mat-- | j I priating bctw'c(-n. $:'4(»,000 au_«l $100,000 ters into the political arena, they would not ' ns * among these institutions, and if that was adoptthe policy of carrying this question into 3 not cgnough the country was :\blo enough the field of party politics. He would be and hbem'l enough fo grant them more. sorry to see &n abandonment of the Reform w ;'(::."'l{ l:."" i"l'l'|'l')'0?tt,"fllt"'»0\":r2""3f"°t' too tll"'"ge principles of Mr. Sandfield Macdonald on : tional s.\Tstcm which U ll)pcr Cnn:d:\l C(:)l;l(L;; 'h'n"oiq."l%gaz;::l e']')t?:l:ymo{l :zl::vml%a I;:lo_ '» was occupying so well. The result of giving ¥ J P #pHB0L.C0'% 8 effect to the views expressed by hon. gentie-- a men would be to destroy the symmetry of our whole educational system ; for the pur-- : pose ftor which Upper. Canada College had f been established was that it should be a PR 8 * 4