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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 14 Jan 1878, p. 3

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y wer S > . ~@ (::: by Pm'chase,:'n l:lm{ hIi,owut'all'en to Can--| _ 6 4. c D f for how much of thq estion at issue | ry between Canada and the territorie 4 ries which th e _ vast . terri-- | which he assumed to be covercd by the | belonged to th. eso _ claims -- covered : charter of the Hudson's B J 7 1 opel; O Te Dominion, and h | he faile fson's Pay Comnitoiall i C ntario. Strong as wet ow much | od to establish this posifiOt U M Canada, from the fust to the fetmitoriss in ments or tenable argument. . In sections ' the direction of 11:(1' vtO.the' territories in of his report, alluding to the negofio' im o9 | long period of occu f~°""" Bay, through a which took place subsequent to the ionats > > W | treaties, they w pation and by virtue of of Utrecht, he said that " Commissaries were * . 2 t : {)l'e regi'o,,s of etx}?ostg,logtt;onge: ue ig :f')l?me!(lltcdtto i ons limitsymsva;:':e'nevor ts i at :' \ borate reports be --west, The ela-- rived at any decision ; $7 °~ 1|E interesti l?gr(;:t ;i(,l?r? the House gave many countries . seemy to ha:'(;nn,cq:il;tsc:ga: b:'h\ [ ces !i ;:iarly voyageurs, ghgv'aigzplfifntl(;rlxls of u;s :'Vl:::'lll:t 'tl;eb water--shed or height ofnla,l:; > yoe | rst penetrated to Lake 8 ow they h i he real boundary." In his note (R o es had crossed over ta e Supcrior; how they in the appendix to his report, he gay (B:) 7 traced the windin sofflle Mississippi, and authority for this assumption '; but '{heedo:,s 0 | its source to the gul(; that great river from uments which he himself quoted proved the they had travelled t of Mexico ; and how ';;r)y reverse of what he advanced, for the P the North--west, '('lth;' colder regions of :l >wed that the extreme southern limi{ § ' ; trading posts to gll:t;kua ly extending their toail.?f d by the Hudson's Bay Company u M | farthest tributaries o.f Winnipeg and 'the 50 was a linc running from the lati P H | 3 C | the Saskatchew of 58.30 north, on t] lanti atitude ) until at the date of the con chewan, Misthssini. th ae Atlantic coast, to Lak | ; r t they were stassini, thence south-- No ol 1+ in possession of the cou 3"05 J | 49th paralle uth--westerly to the 1 the Rocky Mountains, ";1 n f on aoomune West\{') (i ef, andl dien Move Siat Piu'allci | too, of the explorations of C'5 had an account, * that in the and he had omitted to mention | || f dians after th at in the document in whi T l IF ;. conquest, although, in u,i,m;t,, d © this claim, the Huds n _which they made O ports were not so full :,lt:r s c pat made no refc udson's Bay Company had | 11 they might with advan as he believed | W Bntever crence to any hcight of land| 4 3 made, _ While fthe trudert:%)of l:lt;;'e (})(e:l:ln t, riat 16 .flx(eonLt(h%:Oztfrm;{'- in their memo-- l M i 5':'3 gfifilmlé;m Adventurers of Englami i?tions, which was the m((llt?cul{:::xl tm;n- $ \ t on the confines son' amsa t ' mb NY, @ | t!les'e later discoverers bad o:calcill:g&ot?,g fi?:_' | that th{:ir t?ri'(l'ttcc);lies tf(r)Olt,I;'\ they . claimed uP | * ) iltc'?ca and }hc shores of the Pacific Ocean | ;l'om Hudson's Bay northt:a:'lt;)::(})l t}cmiudCd A| | as, in fact, on the rig l an» Pram' 1 imits of the lands towar ie utmost A 4 the discoverics of C:um(cl)ilat:sauv:ll::; fllj'-tx:{! and \vcstwm!c'lm(t: t(t)l?ea "(.'}er thtc North Lole, '\ 4 r{"losscd the Rocky I\Iount:uusxsubscqucm 10 | Pacific Ocean. So that farc'f'ro South 5.39: or Q! ; | n'l'flf:lglg:;clslt thu;. Great Britain was able to %ny l:lei(#lk'hti of land, thc} Mere nlzitfizzpf;"'l,g ; oo d her claim to British Columbia; ounded by the Arctic waters R C | and he could not weil see why, if ie north, nor by the Rock c watershed on the ; of Ohnthrie were good to the)"l .the claims west," l'crh;{ To teh :ocl\y Mountains on the | :;3:18; :h?['; wero not ('Q'Y&lll)"gi:)(:; lt(;' 3{:";'('" | iln the historyI of t;luni::,t'u:\l;tt'xgilbgfn 1g'lpleriod % ,"l f | further to the west,. --1f the cli ms of | Bay was that intervening betwee indson's | «i j 1/ Ontario were to be based on priolr f]i::;g:c:) € | of Neutrality, 168(1}1,111;1[:1"'1\1';;" }ll'le Treaty | * | 1 ?,"d Scc"p"'""" alone, they would cover b';' Utrecht, 1711, During this period ofriawfy n { * _ | AiterIc®: "Phey portion of British North five years the rights of the French had be d * .R * ie Arctic Sea. But thore were id by the restorati i. Pll e id p many other considerations to be tlflfi. 'iv:.:& within the same tillletwtll'lemélllm'tr . of Ahe gcccuut.'O.pcn as the Hudson Bay Compan (: Hudson's Bay Company had bctln cr' of ' the | | f :i];?)'u:e; ? :;gh"' b; to question, as to the lgr. 'c? lfwuuull pim m avbne l'urlinm(\n's';&lfi'\?fig | es which it covered, wo could not ig-- it for only seven years, Y ( & h || V nore the fact that thv'ir, cxtr-;-mcst"cl;txi:v';s this history was very smufnt;a:illx; t:vjl?l-:; is $ had b.':en more or less recognized by t! * Mr: Ramsay, because it made : Cl C by ) 0B {)'f-lzc.'{'fi'f (i'nlo\'crnmvnt from tfm end of ":f }:?:lli()n. tlu & memorandum alfi?,l(l;?d htlg ul past up to the middle of the present centur is report, in which he affecte I The case of Ontario had bucl" vcr'\l't ;;IT::'L';" kind and considerate to 61:2;;3(11)"03". Yerf |F 1 | ':E'l "";".V' :tntcd, und on the other hand )'Vl'ifill'i'fxlly gxcam to support his l:cig';n}t"c(i;" 1 1" ero hbad been nothing concealed whic and line, Mr, Ramsay, in an inferenti ic (N i could make against h~'l'&t'l:tims. Sn\ ]r«l:'gl: ;n way, suggested another ar:,"lll?lll(?::"\lvl'ls'u}lf 'é 4 | r;'n(,-.\ to the reports it would be seen that xcl cvul.u;ntl_v felt was too silly to be ad\"\ll"'('d ; s R | i',.;'w were _ Acts Of -- Patrtiament, «nd :)'t u"r\'nsc. It seemed that in 1855 ;f t ";:i.{\tznll"[.zo«:l'llmutmns lefining boundaries "l((())'elll:'l"(])i;ltt of Cutrluula had sent an Oflic:: 4 : P ' } i more or loss of precisio f whic s gotiate with the ians for 1| | lm.d' t\) be 1'-L)xla'i(|.-r.-(l]' ']'hlcl;x u'l\.luo:l,:('lh{;ll'; J'!fi':lll.('llt of their Cl.'xixn:t(l,"tl}l::l]':n(:;; ulc ad« | 4 m (1(j'.l§wn of judges as to the "'('Sh'l'n'limit,- vicinity of Lakes Huron &Xl(lSll!;tl'iol- ,:lthlh.o | f of Upper Canada in the De Runhard case ' officer, in a paper drawa up by. him ;IS | z and we could not ignore the fact lh"z'tzi wilderness, made the mistake of refer _!\ the ' / y colony bad been built up in l\fisillil'ioiq the height of land as acpumtin"thebt:rlr'}g to | 2 | * which was recognised by the lulpcrr;l ("()\'Cl'ud by the charter of the fixl(]<01i».l](§),ry i' Wwo authorities, at least 10 a certain extent Company from the lands he was n&wn?- flnz We Most awhward of all, thore was the t}\lesii(yxi | \\_lth the I'mhm;s about--a picce ol;f;"f:f.-nfg ' } Of the Indian territory to: be dealt with }."('" which _ he, no _ doubt ol.o\:,llul.l; | . These Indian territories were treated by rom the Company's traders, w}mnwi\(r(- $ I the Imperial Government, and by an Act o)f then the only white people in ho (listri:-: [| % tl'xc 'Impcri:ql Parliament, as bci'uz c nbirely | Alnd, 01'1 a blunder of no movre i""'m"tanf o 5 hudl distinet and apart from Canada. iflltwlnéx-{: xll ian this, Mrtr. -- Ramsay «,-ud_uu'\:uwd :: | N were those Indian territories ? 1t was at ?lmd an argument in a matter of such || U !4 one time supposed that they covered n:mzl it gravity as the boundaries of Ontario, He ' was no doubt intended that tllv~v,s|{ou'(l ('on_xc}udcd his report by giving it as his cover, tha country about Red River "l:l'l opx.n]lOR that Ontario was bounded tofhel ) % Lake Winnipeg, and it would not be difficult noith by the hcight of land, and;to the | 4 to show that it was meant that they should Xest. by the due north line prolongc'd from | 18 | come as far east as Lake Superior. ~But the ho J;m(:'tmu oi the Ohio and Mississippi, or | A i Hudson's Bay Company had tried to shove | P a s l("l"words,' by the meridian of 89 dcg: | f 7 em off to the Avoiie wator--shed. . Anothor | .;_1&1'1?1. 27 see. 'Taken altogether, it would be | imatter which had not been touched tupon | > ;l lf' ullgt to say whether this report was more \ in the reports was the rights of Quebec, and | + t;.(x)n'u able tor the wildnoss of its assumip-- | that -- Province -- had Certaiuly & c,l:\im: s('rftlfi or t-he' fij-cl)lm:c_ss of its argument. As.l to the @ countries above," as _ the | in i ,I')l()'__"d nothing, and a mere opiznion, f North--woest terricories . were termed in | 501?1 dm'{t}\." of such importance, without ' s the capitulation _ of Montreal. _ 'The | \'alule "'I:;[h.hm'fl.s to sustain it, was of little ' | thse of the _ Dominion _ Government | l ument 1." Ramsay said, in the way of | had been set forth in a report by Mr. Ramsay | | hac;'e ACt 1"- '1.at «both countries seemed to | and this report was at least a fair Slfl'jcct'. | | shed or lhll'c.:\.ud in the idea that the water. | of criticism, _ He (Myr. Dawson) was of opi-- ary," wi ('Uéht _of land was the real boun-- ' nion that, it the Dominion had nothing pflmilcl \;1?1191)3 could only show that the | stronger to advance, its claims would not suggested--w eg.--not adopted, but only seriously interfere with those of Ontario, evccr, contem ]:l~stt'he nearest approach fo it ' Mr. Ramsay gave it as his opinion that the countries bI:x: ed, and that not by both | \ water--shed or height of land was the boun-- Compan 'or d only by the Hudson's Bay ; | | allel wag' £, n f'e" supporters ; and that par-- ar from coinciding with the water-- ' wi # a «d

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