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Ontario Scrapbook Hansard, 8 Dec 1870, p. 7

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W3; Ul , .. Mr. WOOD nid he rose to a point of an. der. The hon. gentleman had stated what was not correct. . Mr. FRASER then proceeded. The speech from the Throne contained a reference to the evzl results of dissension, end he egreed that dissension was injurious and prejudicial. But he believed that them was one thing more to be desired than union, and that was purity. He thought they should tirst look for (purity, and then, it possible, hwo pence. l 'heers) He could understand the objections of the hon. member "for South Grey (Lander), to go back to 'the former position of the members of the Cabinet The objection wss very well understood. (Hour ) With regard to the fry of " Measures, not _ Mr. BLAKE called the attention of the awake: to the breach of ruis. by the hon. Mr. WOOD row exciteily to interrupt the speaker, amid loud crieo of "Order." Per- dating, Mr. FRASER had not the lugging: to hear the speeches of the mover ttttf second-7r of the Midterm. but he heard the speech of the hon. Treaaurer. He heard him say- "fell us what 3011 went and we will give it you, to long as you allow us tokeep our seats." that aio iatatent. The hon. member tor. North grime (Mr. Sinclair). judging from; hie remarks last night, had begun to timroaet, that his eonttittteaU are not natUtied with' his conduct,' He then referred to the re-- meri- nude by Mr. Blake st the London meeting end criticized the objections nude there to the Government. He had only re- ferred to the Dower Bill, Lady Smith's Bill, and the Tax Titles Bill, which were surely poor arguments. The hon. gentleman had ' greet eloquence, but he regretted to any that ', e sometimes was willing to mislead people m regretted to use the attempt made to in- troduce the system of the States here, namely, that it was not possible to euppart a Government here becnuse it was not possible to support it " Ottawa. The only objection that had been brought against the present Govern. meet was its constitution; but he considered that they cunht only to consider the mea- mrel they introduce . He did not care to enquire into the previous position of my of the members of the Government. (Rear) The lender of the Opposition had not at. tempted to find fault With any of the depart. ments. It could not he dove, inasmuch " t1 ey View excellently managed. .. ." lvlwl'l vv - ya, we a'"""'"""", nun men '." he believed that it was the duty of all men to eupport good mount-es, but he could not consider tint they were, when in. troduced by those who did'xot fully believe in them, of equal value with those in. troduced by men who honestly introduced them and supported them. (Chm) The question of "bitration Wes referred to in the Mr. LAUDER said that one of the hom. gentleman'. partners wu pluced in the, Court of Chancery, and he (Mr. Lsuder)' might turn round and soy that the leader of the Opposition was liktsly to be intlaenced Int the Home wan as much to blame in that matter an the other. A great deal had been said with regard to members being impro- perly iniluaieed by the Government. The member for South Bruce had stated in the Manic Hall the other night that ho (Mr. Lander) had been intiaenced in hie votes by his appointment to the trueteeehip of certain railway honda, although that gentleman had last melon assured him that he did not re- gard that tifiae an one of emolument, an! that in his former remarks on the eubjeat he did not refer to him. Now, all he had to ray to that was, that he had supported the Government in the tint seeeion on leveral. occasion before he had ever spoken to the Attorr ey-Genernl, and before any trustee: a": or any favour whatever wan mentioned,' to im, And he would tell that honourable gentleman that if he thought he was infiu.. one"! in the House by that trumpery ap- gzintment, he was prepared to aim any ad that gentleman might choose to draw up that he would give the whole of the emolument, if there should be any, to acme oharitahle institution. Mr. BLAKE-I don't believe the hon. gentleman's word is trorth anything. {in than swath. was. km?! "a", l? endeavouring to have Her IG. genre nume ere-ed from" out statutes. He cued the meets of .that grsptimnaaN re- mark. upon the public mind of Quebec- vonld be to still further complicate the mat. ter and delay the Btstsptapeet ot the orard ha that Province With reference to pol-eon Minion. in the Home, he ohjeot'ed to them, just as strongly as the member for Lsmbton;f' out be believed that the Qpppeition _|ide: of Iddreaa, and he fully béliiiviii1' in the fhu1ityr ot the award so in " the authority of the arbitration court Went, but he agreed with the hon. leader of the Opposition that if any injustice had teen done to chbcc, in an wey whatever, that it should "so remedial Mr. COYNE said {but the hon. gontkman would not my that the cook? ion into which Hon. Gouge Brown entered was an ' 'ueholr, alliance," but thtrpresent Previnoid Govern- ment followed in the nate ral wake of the other Government. It was desirable that all (Him) parties should he represented in the timt Government of 'this Province, and' the only charge brought ageinst the leader of it was that he had' introduced into it two gentlemen who were of an opposite side of politics. No objection was mde'to his previous record. He believed that the hon., member for Leeds (Smith) was yotitied in his remarks, made last night, in consequence of the attacks made upon him 21 the hon. n_1er_nber for Bothwell l McKeIler). The action of the Government, in appointing patios from both sides, wee worthy of ap prowl. He believed the country was tired ofaparty, and that they only wented a GOV- arrEmenbsrhich would do them justice. With regard, to the 53:31", it wee escory they had long been " . itw with; he believed its distribution by the Government would be satisfactory to the people. The scheme of centre! prisons wee recommended by tha Judges and those best qua1Ked to give an opinion on the subject. He believed that a great deal more remained to be done by the Government inthe matter of immigruioa, and that the preference would be given to persons who woulidevote themselves to the pursuit 'of agriculture. 11:. Coyne cou- iiludedUith a short reference to the notion of the leader of the Opposition on the arbitra- Mr. CHRISTIE thought it advisable, that, the personal ' rsitions of members of the', House, " wel as of the members of the Government, should be well defined. Hal would be sorry to see that the position of parties." yE,g,1t."i,o,f principles should not exist in the ease; but that position did not seem to be agreed to by some members ot the House. The members for Welland and South-Grey were of this clean. For his part he did not believe that it was lpossible for a middle course to be consistent y carried out. m therefore thought that it would be a bad thing for the country when the principles of party government were departed from. Mr. HAYS could not support the titth rUture of the whims, which foreshadowed the intention of the Government to give aid to nilway'l. He won a. friend of the Govern. ment, and had " once outed his views Ironkly on-this point. Mr. SMITH (South Grey)said he Occupied " a similar position'to that of his hon. friend, the member for North Bruce (Sinclair), al. though he was. supporter of theGovernment. His district was en wanting in 'publie work: so any. 1here we: no logic in shying that beceule members belonged to the. Opposition they did not receive public works in" their district, for he, a I supporter of the G orermmrnt, had not received any. If he had, belonged tothoO position, he might have got something. 'llrl'l'h"t)'t., He, with re. girdto the expenditure of the Land Improve- .mezt Fund, than?" it should be expended »in the counties t at had contributed to it. He looked upon it one matter of right. Mr. BLAKE-tBear, hen.) ' Mr. SMITH hoped that consideration would be given by the Minister of Crown Lend. to settlers who had not been able to, fey their land totes. He wee, in favour of end grunt- to railmyn, but thought the grants should be applied as wall to other disw tricte a to the free grant districts. Their harhcuru were in need of repair, but the Attorney-General referred them to Ottawa; when they got to Ottawa, they were sent back here. He_hopcd, before the close of the session, that the Attorney-General would clearly define this matter. (Hem) He had gen the Government an honest support, t if they were turned oat, he confessed that it would be very hard to go into opp? sition against the hon. member for Bothwell, since he respected him so highly " a men nnd statesman. (Hear, hear, and cheers» He hogedthey would not have achsngc of Government. It would be necessary, how. ever, la order to ensure their continuance in oilico, that hon. gentlemen on the Treasury benches should do their duty especially the Minister for Crown Lands. (if'iili5 Mr. McCALL(Nortolk) said he had not Interded to address the House iiurBgrthis' debaie, but being one of the fewindepend- out members in the Home (laughter), he winked to any n few words about the attempt to restore party government. He felt clan to speak -on this subject, fer he had not 'ven a single political vote on my meuure fl' this House. The polic7 of the Opposi. tion was simply a question whether" they were to stay out or to get in. (Laughter.)' He referred to the proposed scheme of im. migration, and said he thought the settle- ment (f the country had been obstructed by the wey in which the public domain had. been managed. Some steps had been teken by tl e Government to remove these oUtrue. tions, but he hoped to Ice still greater G/ movements in this matter inthe future. Psi we! planned to nee the policy enunciated by', the Government in the proposed education echeme. He should offer the moat decided opposition to the Government in its proposal to grant aid to railways. This: would Itsat to direct taxation, which he reprobated. Mr. MONTEITH thought that reference should have been made in the address to the time when the money collected under the I Land fttrprtwemttt Fund should be paid l our to the municipalities. It was also do. sireble that some conclusion should be arri- ved " new the reduction on clergy Innis, which had been paid for by the settlers on them at higher totes than tint paid for other' lands which were equally good. Something should be done us well for settlers in the elder districts es for those who had settled in the free grant lends. It wee ssid that, the Government had not the power to deal as to proposed with the clergy lends; bat he 1hought that n government which had the con fidariee of the country possessed gatii. 0 ext power to bring down: more to give them the necessary power. He was pleased t , sec that there was a. prospect of the estab- lishment of neylums for the care of idiots. Mr. ANDERSON said he csme here as o l, new number, totally unbiased in his vie an, i and rot responsible for the past sets of the government. As tar so regsrdod the speech from the'Throne, he could accept it with a few exceptions. He believed that the efforts to sttract imn igrstion should be redoubled and that the projected railways should be constructed in those parts of the ooaatr, capable of receiving these immigrants. As tothst part of the address which referred to; education, he thought, as an 'sgriealtaris' that that portion of the population should have greater facilities for education. He mmld support the Government in this ot-' ject, and also in the education of the me- chanical portion of our populatiirn Tae, hy sker Went on to comment on the neces-', my for providing for aeientitie education in the matter of mining; and slid he would support the Government in this object He would be prepared to support the measures the Government might bring down, if they yould be---" he was certain they would b. --for the benefit of the country. Mr. TROW referred to the observation maie by the member for Lambton (sir. Pardee) and the omission from the agent oi anything with reipeot to the smendmeno of the Municipal Lawn He might inform this hon. member that the law ofiieers had been l engaged during the recess in reviving those. laws. (Hear, hear, from Government bea. ches ) He said he would accept the address as a whole if properly carried oat. It row being its o'clock the House rose for recess. After recess, Mr. TitOW resumed his remarks. He ad. vhcated the reduction of the prices on set- thas' lands. m was aware that many set- tlers were quite discouraged in causeqarenw of the sums they had to pay on their lands, _ and were selling out and removing to the Western States. Referring to the Acts al- ready passed by this House, he said that the Government should give credit to the CUpo. sition for assistance in many of the-ca, a 'd more especially to the hon mem'ocr tor South Bruce (Mr. Blake). (Hear; hear.) As regarded coalitions, he could not see why the coalition ot 2e, was jutatitiabie, and the pre- sent one con med. Re must say that the moral tone of the Government we: not as. creditable as he could wish it to he. (Hear, hear, from OPPDBltit n benches.) m had (my respect tor the Attorney-General, bat he thought the conduct of some of the mem- bers of ti e Ministry was a little indisereet in t their aiter.dinner speeches. (Hear, hear, . and laughter.) It would be better tor these I gentlemen if they were alittle more on their guard. People fancied there should be some 4 change, and had come to that conciusion in .." consequence of the moral impression that; had been caused in the country on neceuut' ot these unguarded statements. (Hear. hear ) g Mr. EVANS would be sorry to give the ' Moo of. Quebec any reason for believing this Home regarked the decision of tia .ltliltiAlt'l m.rt Wang t'myl. He didmot

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