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tm P BP P P LA L _A IL L C A Horse, A Horse $10 For A Horse, Cries Town Counc: Cilors di the horse City pou! didn‘t t hi P10 have : wWErth his ¢n Oct frem his camp whe that he w The horse didn‘t appear in the eccuncil chamber but it wasn‘t the council‘s fault. They certainly went into the matter thcroughly. This horse was discussed at great length and if he had been there he would have learned much to take the conceit out of him. He would have learned that the council as a whole didn‘t think much of hm and valued him at $10 without hesitation, The horse‘s @wner, a Mr. St.Gelais Oof 4860 Spruce Street, Timmins, was said to be unable to pay for the horse‘s release from the pound and pay the pound keeper for the hay the horse had consumed,, amounting to the Councillor Leo DelValano said that the owner of the horse had been on relief and had 13 children. and his wife was in hospital at present with ancther child, and that the owner was unable to pay for the pound fee and keep for the horse but he needed the horse in h‘s wood cutting work. The Mavor chipped in and said that the only thing was to sell the horse at public auction. voice, in range, volume, etc., but there are few limitations to vocal art. The DePaur Infantry Chorus under their leaderâ€"genius Leonard DePaur showed what high vocal art might become when properly handled. The secret was absolute obedience and concentration on the leader. _ _One of the most often heard remarks after the concert was concerning the Everyone seemed amazed that the soloists didn‘t sing out with large tones like Paul Robeson or Tod Duncan. . When a chorus is on tour they couldn‘t afford to carry with them a Tod Duncan or Paul Robeson or anyone as expensive. _ But what was wrong with the soloists they had? _ They sang1 wonderfully with the choir and that is what is expected of them. _ Their voices‘ must blend or they would no longer be a part of the DePaur Infantry chorus.. As it is a complete choir and as DePaur is a perfectionist he wants everything. o sound as it should. _ That is why the soloists never gesticulated or tried to stand out in any manner. _ Although, the soloists were all good and sang their numbers with finese. _ With choral work it is the tonal quality and harmonies that count, it is working together to bring out various overtones and nuances of the music which the conductor or arranger feels should be brought out. A solo singer interpolates a song as he feels that it should be interpolated within the limits of counterpoint and what not, an arrangerâ€"conductor like De Paur has a slightly wider field and works every angle to bring into play all the beauty and harmony which that certain piece ofmusic may have. . Having sung under the direction of some of Canada‘s finest choral conductors the writâ€" er appreciates the vastness of any attempt to weld a choir into a beautiful inâ€" strument like that of the DePaur Infantry chorus. Our little Red men and women of Timmins have been reading into the script something different. They think that because the Chorus sang "working" songs, and the Red cavalry song, they must necessarily be communist followers. We wonder what DePaur would think of that? . Then why did they sing the CGatholic, Greek Orthodox, Jewish and Protestant anthems: and the negro spirâ€" ituals etc.? The Reds can‘t explain anything, they just pick up an idea which comes to them from their twisted mentalities and speak it forth without conâ€" sideration. As a matter of fact the number the chorus sang with the most ‘zing"" and finese was the Infantry song, "Roger Young." I can still hear it. The DePaur chorus was the best possible opening of what appears to be a good Community Concert season. On Wednesday, February 9, Zadel Skolovâ€" sky, pianist, will present the second program of the series. Wednesday, March 9. Pirrette Alarie, Montrealâ€"born Soprano will present one of her charmâ€" ing concerts. The Bary Ensemble will be here Wednesday, March 23, and John Sebastian, Harmonica player, on Wednesday, April 27. | ~Ukrainian Choir: â€" The Ukrainian National Choir‘s fine performance a week ago Wednesday evening, was the best singing of its kind heard in Timmins in a long time. according to many who have lived here a long time. It will not be the last time for already another pregram is being planned for midâ€"winter. They are also planning a trip to Kirkland Lake and other points. John Forâ€" tak, the able conductor, doesn‘t want the choir to become rusty. Back Pats: The Princess Alice Club sent us a nice little letter thanking us for cooperation in making the publicity campaign for "The Pied Piper" so sucâ€" gessful. _ Thank you graciuos ladies, but take another bow yourselves for the excellent job you did in presenting the operetta. Democracy: â€" Hon. Lester B. (Mike) Pearson, Minister of External Affairs, in a recent speech gave this definition af democracy. â€" "It is the line that forms an the right. _ It is the ‘Hi‘ instead of ‘Heil‘; . It is the ‘don‘t‘ in ‘don‘t shove‘. It is the hole in the stuffed shirt through which the sawdust slowly trickles; it is the dent in the high hat. Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more han half of the people are right more than half of the time. _ It is the feeling af privacy in the voting booths,. the feeling of communion in the libraries, the feeling of vitality everywhere." * ‘ Moosic: Curly Barnett trio will be playing Saturday nights at the Rainâ€" sow Room from now on. Curly used to be with Henry Kelneck and the three and a dud. or is it three duds and a dude® Anyway it had something De Paur Chorus: _ As every choral leader knows there are limitations to the‘ C â€"â€"Democrac n a recent s an the right t is the hol s the dent half of af privacy i do with . Moosic: Curly Barnett trio will be playing Saturday nights at the Rainâ€" sow Room from now on. Curly used to be with Henry Kelneck and the three ijudes and a dud, or is it three duds and a dude? Anyway it had something to do with duds. The Legion Hall is a good spot Friday night they tell me. ' floor nice surroundings. _ Remember the St. Catharine dance the Club Richelieu is holding in the Riverside Pav Friday, November 26, with Henry Kelneck as moosic disherâ€" suter and as an added attraction the first men‘s fashion show ever presented r Timmins.. Heaven‘s to Bettsy, we are sooo thrilled! Shmoosic: _ Sadie Hawkins will be on the prowl tomorrow night at the pav. when the Kinsmen present their big annual dance in honor of e dotter of the famous dogpatcher. . Shmusic will be dispensed by Keineck and Co. and free shmo6d juice will be dished out and the lads say there will » plenty of shmooching. â€" Great little anymuls them there shmoos! Koshulnote: â€" Don‘t forget the Twixter Bazaar and Quizz at St. Matthew‘s ?roâ€"Cathedral Hall, Tuesday, November 16th, at 8 pm., entrance fee just a warter and refreshments served too. t _ FiHesofy: A dollar won‘t do as much as it used to, because we don‘t do as much for a dollar as we used to. Throwing Quills t Mornday T t think quit« they had on As a matter noO TIngs 20th the hors Th.rd â€" is supposed 1¢e top of his lungs, my kingdom â€" for sore from w nt without * than Wwill 2 122C burner .0 han he ng mornin hang Hemloc much a in 1I}F/ De cit ight 0o walkin _ shoe council | â€" news. tr by K. L. McQ mlock adeed id otted owWwn and s Of the they UT VeL O taking to ro battle the Mrs. C. Desaulniers Suffers Heart Attack Up what wo "Would :1 he asked "HMHorse shot al arcund busines Mrs. Claude Desaulniers is still critically ill and unable to have visiâ€" tors at St. M a r y ‘s Hospital, Mrs. Desaulniers suffered an attack of eccrnary thrombcesis and has been sufâ€" fering from pernicious anaemia for several years She was taken to the hospital last week. Dr. William A. Oille, heart specialâ€" ist from Toronto was flown to Porquis Junction on Tuesday and driven by car to Timmins by Mayor Karl Eyre. Dr. Oille is the son of the famous specialist, Dr. John Oille. -Some slight â€"improvement in Mrs Desaulniers condition was noted by the docter yesterday. only. when necessary Turn off basement lights and keep stoves and "washing machines running peI CImn The ving I‘1 0se 1€ th the him," _ May and on ‘al: cal b may: it suldn rket ; the ma ie hors » livelil illor A not and muld VOu A F1 ét and Leo mea at, U ‘â€" Auw! t Y 2 ided shalf the he like a ) with 3€ 1l ot but I‘Se _ the mac 1sS 10 bring Published in Timmins, On*., EVERY tas| said to 1 aid. ilded ind M down l¢ feg all WL id loan the tter alan Vie aay ke 15 wh a Vil wit said re of AS final would quit more cent ina sted he d th than family had ncthin rk a DC h: asing prok aC ‘ it own out in hts note be left decide horse. rddle?" ho 10 juld day O all 3l | certainiy miss him. | Only one goal was scored in the opening canto and that by Ted List.er! as he took a pass from Jack Gee and 'sailed in on Freeman to pot the lone MceIntvre marker. Play was fast and Father J. R. O‘Gorman Dies North Mourns His Passing Father O‘Gorman first.came to the North in 1906 from h‘s home in Renâ€" frew to assist Father B,. A. Latulipe in the newly organized parishes on the T. N. O.â€" Railway., A most ~outâ€" spokén man, he was loved ‘by everyâ€" one for his manner of getting to the heart of the matter without wasting time with talk when action was reâ€" quired. In the North action was needâ€" ed and when the townsmen wanted In a land settled by various races and creeds, Father O‘Gorman was deâ€" finitely at home and everyone felt they had a friend in the saintly man. In latter yvears the holy man‘s white hair shining like a halo round his head, could ,be seen about the town, and he was interested in everything. Welifare and social work was a passion with him. Born in the town of Renfrew, Ontâ€" ario, June 10, 1880, the son of John Keaton O‘Gorman and Mary Anne Dixâ€" on, he obtained his early education in the Renfrew Separate school and Renfrew High School, Later he atâ€" the Ottawa University gradâ€" uating with his B.A. in Honor Philâ€" csophy. Ris theological â€"educaticn was chtained at the Grand Seminary in Montreal, from which he was crdained m December 17 The Reverend John Robert O‘Gorâ€" man, beloved par‘sh priest of the Church of the Nativity, Timmins, passed gently away at his parochial resiaence at seven o‘clock Tuesday evening. The saintly priest who was known and loved throughout the north and honsred as a pioneer in the tradition of the North had been ill for almost a year before he died. action Father O‘Gorman was the man they generally called upon to help them out. Porkies Score 7 â€"1 Victory Over Macmen 2 4 C k 23 4s past e outs ym« his last now Ssouth Porcupine Porkies last cut loose with a terrific five third <perisd barrage that gave a cneâ€"sided, 7â€"1 win over the L leading Macmen. Paving the 1 the South End victory were Haneberry, Jack Hepworth, Bill} mo, each having racked up a go an assist. Cv Freeman, playit thc from the given the ed by Refere was Eddie Br fo We large m quin Bo Levert, is shown kers a C ns NPW Ben Glacoe he Union. en Lev meetin Boulevs ‘t, is ec gh he TIMMINS, ONTARIO, THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 11th, 1948 by Doug McLlelian Porcupine Porkies last night with a terrific five goal isd barrage that gave them ed, 7â€"1 win over the Leagueâ€" wo ma lugfest gate b Ter Bl vard E equally VC 1€ h at ith pror the ; played very hard, oughout the three a penalties resulted s Eddie Brown was Referee Carlo Catâ€" t stanza. Then in lentino was thumbâ€" : lang. The game i shaky notice ‘fie "Ihne game t for the Porkies r the weekâ€"end bt h a} if 6 One pAa tive Ma k n the lose hockey, al lliant winner he Mc Mmil SA 1 hat en bre of IIl‘ . arlin nber th @il and av _ and work, much Ha ie fine both 1 OIY _ spC Mine N1ll To P Te aniz His first was to Brunell, Ontario, as assistant to Father FP.L French. Sixteren months later he was sent to Halleybury to assist the Reyv. E. A. Latulibe in the care of the newly opened district served by the T.N.O. Railway. In this capacity he visited almost all the territory of the North Eastern Ontar‘o and North Western Quebec. He said the first masses is many of the towns in this area, such as Eariton, Englehart, Llk Lake, Gowâ€" ganda, Larder Lake Tomstown, Mathâ€" eson, Val Gagre, Coochrane and Amos. h He ind W 13 l zh as both goalâ€"tenders stood out, rticularly Powell in the McIntyre t. He was especially remarkable on try by Neil Pirie, when Pirie split e d@efence and walked in on him ly to be turned back. The period ded with the Macmen having a one al margin. but it was shortâ€"lived 11 piite Mtpance Rev. J. R. O‘Gorman 1e of God‘s Messengers ind the 1e¢ drove h zave the Porkies four points‘ ando UT,. VIILCCE \G QIUIILLLMLL L â€" em with the Hollinger crew | ton and a sister Mrs. P. J. Hassett of place,.. behind the leading | Cobalt. The loss first suffered by| "They rest in the Lord who are his n League play this season, messengers."‘ them a 2 point edge over‘ . Hank Haneberry, Jack wede Larsen and pintâ€" damo. Larsen‘s goal was olo effort, in which he e disc on a breakaway i on Powell, driving the corner. N6 C the third period onâ€" saw the Porkies rap Is, from the sticks of Hamnk Haneberry, Jack th a lish, cupine mE n Advance Sund ill. ‘IC Mcntyre sees the! Turn off lights when not using ear between the them. Don‘t use any more electricity ills cang. than absolutely necessary. Be tWoO 166 A anada en L Mine l V snortâ€"li1ved in the seâ€" goals, the rom Haneâ€" Talentino i1ig on â€" i, Ben evert, W orâ€" Photo for Port Colborne Men Tell of Break With Mine Mill Union The Worke rapidly ing or they c after ; ELLEN TERRY TO RUK FOR MAYOR OR COUNCIL ? ? Crgan zers French ar ¢f mingrs Workers think ove: â€"org "this stew; n th Father Latulizpe was later consecrated Bishop and Father O‘Gorman became pastcr of Hailleybury. In September 1809, ‘Father O‘Gorman resigned his pastcrate in order to go to Rome for further studies. He returned to Canâ€" ada a year later having secured the deyree of doctor cf Cancn Law. He was once more anpointed to Haileybury where he remained until April 13, 1913, when he was ass‘igned to the newly erected parish of St. Patrick‘s in Cobalt. After the outbreak of the first world war, Father O‘Gorman enlisted in the Chaplain service of the Canadian arâ€" my and went overseas with the Twoâ€" Hundred and FPiftyâ€"Seventh Battallion Canadian Expeditionary Forces. For 25 months Father O‘Gorman was in On his return from overseas Father O‘Gcrman was again in Cobalt where he remained until 1926 when he was appointed to found the new parish of the Nativity of Our Lord in Timming Immediately after the outbreak of the Second World War, he again enâ€" listed in the Chapla‘n service where, because ¢of his experience, he was apâ€" pointed Head Chaplain of MD.3 in Kinzston, and English speaking Vicar Aiter General of the Entire Armed Services. After assisting in much of Tthe organization work of the Chaplain Service, he was transferred to M.D.2, in Toronto, as Head Chaplain, while continuing to act as Vicar General. He was discharged from the army in February 1944, with the rank of Lt. Co.onel, and returned to his duties as pastor of Nativity parish. France and with various Ra lway units and the Canadian Enâ€" gingers, returning to Canada in 1919. Father O‘Gorman founded the first council of the Knights of Columbus in this district and as Chaplain on the The body was transferred to Church of the Nativity at four o‘clock Wedâ€" nesday afternocon where the office of the dead was recited by the clergy of the diocese. The body lay in state all nisgsht until 10.30 this morning when the funeral service was pontifiâ€" cated by Rt. Rev. Louis Rheahme CMAIL., D.D. FPollowing the funeral service the iken Last FPollowing the funeral service the body was taken to the station acâ€" companied by a Canadian Legion guard of honor. The body will be shipâ€" Renfrew where it will lie in state in St. Francis Xavier Church over Friday night. The Rt. Rev. Monâ€" signor M. J. O‘Gorman of Sacred Heart, Edmcntcn will celebrate the funeral mass at 10.30 a.m. Saturday. On Wednesday night the Senior CW.L. was present in a body from 8 to 9 pm.; 9 to 10 the Junior C.W.L.| took over and from 10 to 11 the Caâ€" bogi Club members stood watch. Fri.m 11 to 12 the Knights of Columâ€" bus stood watch and men of the parish took turns during the night in watching. Fourth Degree Knights of | Columbus formed a guard of honor dur.ng the night. on n mm n mm mm mmgmemm e o n mmme ce moume > ‘ Second Degree team, he took part in the exemplification of this degree in many Ontario centres. C OvEer. ) organize _union n# ards body e district. Union y enovzh rganizers, cannot ex the bropa from LG Sunday Canad: st ontinued and abou anada‘s « and s id English ‘the Union h: Dropa labzsur Levert expect eds in ganda 1 241 Min evening, I _ outstan speakers but ir‘s advance over the ‘t dealt with the hisâ€" struggle to get safety on Page Five) properly," _a strong : every mine ie â€" Porcupine rising rapidly suit the hard : it thevy admit tG0o Porcupine Mine ng rapidly. Not the hard workâ€" they admit that 0 much support the miners have Mineâ€"Mill. ave the meet Porcupine M something Ben inding arrage he ind "will aused 11 ind uevert, labour both said, rctive i mill Mine blisbed In Timmina, Ont., EVERY THURSDAY to interest in (Porcupine there has that lady‘s not .commi phcne con| ‘this paper that she 1 tex." Those when sl there will be Ellen Has Local Politicos Guessing â€" "Keep ‘Em Guessing," â€" She Says Miss Terry has accused the present counc!l ¢<f incompetence and neglect Cf duty and has criticised their meâ€" trods in dealing with the business of the town. Many people have rememâ€" bered Miss Terry‘s competent work as councilicr in Timmins and feel that she should run this year. As for runâ€" ning for mayor, few seem to feel y.hat she could make it against the strong record of Karl Eyre who has shown himself to be able and most likeable mayor perhaps the best liked in Timmins, history. She would have to face terrific opposition in that field. But in the council race, Miss Terry‘s record of vote getting has in the past been outstanding. For sevâ€" eral years she polled the highest vote on the Timmins council and showed herself to be a competent adminisâ€" trator in whatever position she held in the town. ons m mm the governor on the "do it ciuick and get it over‘ type of council. Third: Miss Terry has proven herself to be an honest, straightforward type of councillor, with integrity and courâ€" age. Fourth: We believe that Timmins needs type of government that Miss Terry would be willing to give. It is about time someone of a critical nature was let loose on the town‘s affairs. The Porcupine Advance editor has nothing personal against any memâ€" ber of council but believes that there should be a balance struck in council, instead of having it all one way. The Timmins council feels that it has done a good job this year. Miss Terry says that they haven‘t, It logks like things may be interesting around election time next month! "con like Dean Robinson Speaks At Kiwanis Monday "For Rememberance," was the title of the impressive address by the guest speaker, Rev. Dean Coscper Robinson, of St. Matthew‘s â€"Proâ€"Cathedral, at the week‘y luncheon of the Kiwanis Club at the Empire hotel on Monday. One of the stirring lessons of the adâ€" dress was the thought that the most fitting way to remember and honour those who served in the two world wars is to uphold the principles for which they ocffered their lives. Someâ€" times we fail to remember t h o0 se whom we pretend to honour," the speaker said. ‘"Remember the love that prompts a man to give his life for a friend." "These men," the guest speaker noted, "fought in two outbreaks in ithe ageâ€"long struggle between two differing ways of life. The one way of life is bounded by compulsion and tyranny, and the other calls for volâ€" untary selfâ€"discipline, and liberty, but not license. All are in this struggle, whether they like it or not, whether they know it or not. Are you in active service today in this total warfare, or are you leaving it to others? If you are leaving it all to others, you are eccurting defeat, materially, militarily and emoticnally." Referring to the soâ€"called socialism that came from Russia and other countries, and even took on guises in Canada, the speaker said the tenâ€" tacles of this evil tcok hold, wherever there was stupidity, intolerance, selfâ€" ishness, apathy. Canada was not without these. "We spend $800.00 a year to keep a delinâ€" quent lad in prison, but we refuse to spend the $800.00 to keep him out. (Isn‘t that stupid? Isn‘t it stupid to restrict immigration of desirable type, while the country is so much in need of more populaticn?" Other evidences of stupidity were the boasts about democracy and eduâ€" cation. "We ask that daemocracy be taught in the schools, when ‘we should teach it in the house. We prate about democracy, but take no part in poliâ€" tics, except at election time. We pride curselves on our fine schosl buildings, and the their boy that follk be sidetr are actuail hate those How much Much of the strife blamed on selfishness who believed also tha ped their selfishness ample might be ptr ‘"We s: souls, t speaker there we speaker said. He pointed out that there were more killed on our highâ€" ways than had been killed by the enemies in the days of war. And who cares? People may regret the deaths in apathetic way, but it is too much trouble to do anything about it. The speaker touched on intellectual and spiritual contact with those who ated if a made. I to blame e to Miss Since id inen pay e janitors." Examuples o nce Ellen Terry announced her est in the local municipal arena cupine Advance, October 21ist) e has been much speculation of lady‘s intentions. Miss Terry has committed herself, but in a teleâ€" e conversation with the editor of paper vesterday, Miss Terry said she was "considering the matâ€" evidqenc be ader idetracke sthe ratio know Teéetrry LI whi through Â¥5s iDecau owed the In consid®ering ‘ and renerally results results of Miss know ur gur t tau r€ Canada e schnol teacher results. . What of Miss Terry‘s cvervone â€" would n industry wWas | ove by the speaker,f ma if people dropâ€"| off T.B., for exd4| qui ctically eliminâ€" | jo; Terry say, ind matters ithers were vardness of elfishness terests to W pal than MA Single Copyâ€"Five Cents At a time when the town had few financial or business experts on the council Miss Terry was able to lead them and help them over many hurâ€" dles. First: We feel that council should have at least one competent woman representing the citizens of Timmins. The Porcupine Advance wou!d like to see Miss Terry run for council for several reasons. Second: We have found from exâ€" perience in other towns and cities that women councillors or controllers have a tendency to strike a balance in the town‘s affairs. They act as the governor on the "do it quick and get it over‘ type of council. Third: Miss Terry has proven herself to be an honest, straightforward type of councillor, with integrity and courâ€" age. Fourth: We believe that Timmins needs type of government that Miss Terry would be willing to give. It is about time someone of aa critical nature was let loose on the town‘s affairs. The Porcupine Advance editor has nothing personal against any memâ€" ber of council but believes that there should be a balance struck in council, instead of having it all one way. would come back no more to earth. They had no stupidity, no intolerâ€" ance, no frustration, no failure, in the life ‘beyond. He asked all present to stand in silence for two minutes in tribute of gratitude and honour to the memory ‘~of those: who had offered their Wves for our protection. The speaker was introduced by Rev. Dr. W. M. Mustard, and thanked, on behalf of the club, by Brian Shellon. President H. J. Quinn added words of p e r s o n a l appreciation for the thought â€" inspiring address. Another special feature of the day was the pleasing music provided by Henry Kelneck, trumpet, and C. Tayâ€" "or, drums, whose Air Force and other numbers ‘brought insistent encore. As a response to the encore, trumpet and drums joined in the accompaniment to the community singing, the «latter being led by Ted. Bartlett, with Seqâ€" retary W. H. Wilson at the piano. President Quinn announced that quarters for the annual turkey shoot had been secured in the building on Algonquin Boulevard next to the Empire hotel The shoot will run from Nov. 15th to Dec, 23rd, incluâ€" sive, and a strong committee was named to assist the chairman, Frank Bailey, in making this turkey shoo% the greatest yet. Hydro Shortage Still Acute â€" â€" â€" J.P. Burke Visitors for the day, introduced by Viceâ€"President F. A. Woodbury, inâ€" cluded: H. J. Kelneck and C. Taylor, Timmins; E. F. Bell, Toronto; and W. E. Findlay, choirmaster and organist cfi the First United Church, Timâ€" mins. "It is not a matter of rain, rain go away, come again some other day right now," sald J. P. Burke, Timmins manager of the Ontario Hydro tric Ccommission this week,. ‘"The rains have been disapointingly light ahd haven‘t added much to the storage waters, ahd those storage waters conâ€" tinue to go down." Mr. Burke was optimistic of the future though. He said that the quotas which are set by the Ontario Office in Toronto are such as will Tuesday night the lights were cut off from one o‘clock until dawn and will continue to be unti shortage is cvercome. Every second light on the main streets of the town will be shut off. On Pine, from Second to Algons quin, on Third from Spruce to joy, on Algonquin, Spruce to Mountâ€" joy, and the highway from Spruce f/l town limits. Mr. Burke said that so far the co«< cperaticon of the domestic and: com4s«4 mercial customers had been gratify= ing and, he continued, if this effort is kept: up at the present level we hope to be able to avoid the incons venience of the blackouts which they are having in Scuthern Ontario. At a meeting of the Timmins power conservation committee on Tuesday afternoon Mayor Karl Eyre reported tfaht only two stores ad been reported as evading the request to cut down on store window lighting. Five places (Continued on Page Five) : OVE ind Burke was optimistic of the e though. He said that the is which are set by the Ontario e in Toronto are such as will the area adequately for mdustry hcuseholder.