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LIN »ON OOSE FROM _SALES | ---- 623-3305 GH -- 745-4695 ' |EEDED. TERMS RIDING CANDIDATES PILKEY, POTTICARY, WALKER Housing, Taxation, Education Main Topics During ations are coming up year after year with people being thrown out of their homes and the Con- servatives just sit down and talk. We say a house is a house. It affects old people with set Housing, taxation and educa- tion formed the main basis of questions put to the three Osh- awa riding candidates in the provincial election at a ques- tion and answer session held in the Hotel Genosha last night. Herbert Brennan, assistant- manager of the Oshawa Cham. ber of Commerce was modera- tor for the public forum, spon- sored by the Oshawa Jaycees and broadcast on radio. An estimated 250 people were present, and submitted their questions in writing. Each candidate first gave a 10-minute speech, setting out his aims. All three condemned the sys- tem of ex parte injunctions in labor disputes and Clifford Pil- key, New Democratic Party, was twice applauded after he had given answers to questions Once when he said that the NDP would see that the law was changed in this regard and secondly when he said that the suffering caused through inade- quate medical attention would be taken out of the hands of private enterprise. SMITH REPORT Mr. Pilkey began his speech by an attack on the Smith Re- port on taxation, recently tabled by the Robarts govern- ment. He said that at Hamilton, Premier Robarts had stated the election would be fought on two issues, the Smith Report and the question of housing. Although the report offered concessions on the first $2,000 of assessment, he said it also provided for an increase in sales tax and increase in gas- oline tax, an increase in per- sonal tax and a tax on services such as haircutting and pants pressing. In addition it called for a fre-assessment of all homes up to their market value. "In other words," said Mr. Pilkey, "the residents of Osh- awa are assessed about 60 per cent of their present value. It appears to me that all Mr. Robarts is going to do is put some money in one pocket and then going to ex- tract it from another and the people in the province of On- tario are-not going to receive the relief necessary from the burden of municipal taxation." HOME COSTS He said the government had started what was known as the HOME plan in Bramalea and had purchased lots for !6,000 which it was selling for $9,000 and he thought the reason why they were being sold for more than the purchase price was because that was the market value in that area, and they did not intend to destroy it. "Young couples are priced right out of it now," said Mr. their heads for the same reason. "My own personal property tax has had a staggering in- crease. From 1966 to 1967 a rise of $58., but I have made very few improvements. "We in the Liberal party are committed to take the stagger- ing education tax from the er -- 80 per cent of it." SAVINGS } This cut, he said, could be financed by cutting down the cost of government spending general system of accounting and by centralized purchasing. Another field of economy would be a cabinet cut and a uni- formity in school buildings. On housing Mr. Potticary said that many extras had been cut to a bare minimum in the Bramalea homes offered Pilkey. "Some of the" people living in apartments would) dearly love to get into a fam- ily dwelling and are concerned about their young children." He said the NDP had a crash program in this respect and would try to build 100,000 homes on the basis of what people could afford. Prices had risen in every area, he went on, and nobody was doing anything about it. On education Mr. Pilkey said the NDP would bear more than the Smith Report called for -- about 60 per cent. In addition every child would have the opportunity for higher edu- cation within the framework of its ability to absorb education. His party was the action party, the party of get up and go as opposed to the Con- servatives who sat and talked said Liberal candidate James Potticary. "Taxes are high and will go up again. Housing is beyond the reach of most of the people, and those who own property are fighting to hold on to it. We don't have an educational sys- tem that gives everyone a fair chance. It is an odd picture to present to the public and then say 'You've never had it so good'.'"' Labor, he said, was uneasy because of the out-dated laws which controlled it. Mr. Potticary said he felt the most important issue in the election was the high cost of living, which included the high property tax. "As I walked the streets of Oshawa talking with people from all walks of life the big concern of all was high taxes. "Old age pensioners have one great fear -- of losing their homes due to taxes and young married couples with families struggle to keep a roof over under the government's HOME) scheme and the Liberals under ution would cost mortgages to make it eas- ding laws and encourage con- struction of attractive assembly line housing. answer. saidynow ran from $6,800 to $9,500 and the working man at General Motors could not af- ford or alone qualify for one of them. The Liberal party also proposed to reform the law on expropriation and offer "a home for a home." His party would also expand school facilities if elected, Mr. Potticary continued. facilities at the schools could CLIFFORD PILKEY «ee Smith Report Attacked a ¢ | | and he had been humbly proud} to serve them. "The past four years have been full of exciting changes" he went on, "and from the standpoint of government these four years have been years of tremendous accomplishment. Ontario today stands in the shoulders of the property own-|forefront of the provinces of Canada in practically every de- partment of government. "During this time the govern- ment has introduced more pro- gressive social legislation than in any comparable period of the and introducing the audit or past, Our people have particl- pated to the point that we enjoy a level of prosperity in this provinceand a standard of liv- ing second only to the United States."' He said that the gross pro- vincial product had increased' by 40 per cent since 1963, when he was elected and almost 98 per cent of the labor force was Robert Nixon felt that the sol- employed. The average wages be to provide low|°f Workers were 18 per cent 'higher than in other parts of ier to financé a home. They -- iB dis sould also initiate uniform buil-|, Expenditures on education, health, social welfare,schools, hospitals, highways and aid to municipalities during the last 20 The HOME plan was not the|Ye@"s far exceeded those for Lots in Oshawa, he|tte same purpose during all 4 the previous years since Con- federation. Mr. Walker said the Ontario government had expanded edu- cational opportunities not only for children but for people of all ages. The budget for educa- tional purposes during the cur- rent year approached that of the entire budget "Library |Some one billion dollars. in 1963 -- Other developments during be expanded to be the core of the schooling system," he went on. "We say the school librar- ies should be opened in the evenings so that the schools could become the centres of cultural development. Referring to the NDP as the third party in the election, Mr. Potticary said over the past years many veils had been put around them to disguise their intentions but their leader, Mr. MacDonald, had cut down these veils and declared they were nothing but a socialist party. "T beg the people of Oshawa and the people of Ontario once and for all to throw out this philosophy as the other provin- ces of Canada have already done'"' he said. PLEDGE TO SERVE On election night four years ago he had pledged himself to serveall his fellow citizens to the best of his ability, said sitting member, Albert Walk- HOMING URGE PROVES STRONG PICKERING (Staff) -- Thieves who made off with 50 ring-neck pheasants from a farm on the Greenwood conservation area Tuesday night must think they grabbed homing pigeons. Ontario Provincial Police, Whitby detachment, who in- vestigated the incident fol- lowing a report from Sidney Pugh, Lot 4, Concession 12, Pickering township, said that 30 of the birds had returned to their pens by this morning. Police said that someone had been in the pheasant pen but couldn't explain how the birds had returned. The six-month-old pheas- ants were to be released later this month for the hunt- the past four years included, continued Mr. Walker, the new legal aid program, GO-transit, consumer protection bureau, new Family Benefits Act, new air and water pollution legisla- tion and a new housing pro- gram. 'We in Ontario can look to the future with confidence," he said. SPENDING PRIORITIES Theré were many challenges that lie ahead and it was ab- solutely necessary to establish S FIELD QUESTIONS AT TWO-HOUR MEETING Forum y incomes. If you take their homes away where will they go? NATIONALIZATION Q. One of the objectives of the NDP is nationalization of some industries. Which would ou advocate? A. (Mr. Pilkey): We are al- a system of priorities for ex- penditure. It was easy, he programs for this and that but it was necessary first of all to know where we were going fi- nancially. The government had to sit down and discuss prior- ities based on the recommenda- tions of the Smith Report on taxation with the municipalities and have further discussions with the federal government in the field of education costs and housing. "The day has arrived," said Mr. Walker, "when the prov- ince must receive a greater de- gree of assistance to overcome these increasing problems." He said the government had } taken steps to move on the said, to spout recommendations of the Smith Report for basic shelter exemp- tion and to assume the full cost of the administration of justice in 1968 without any increase in ways hearing this bogey of na- tionalization. We are not going to nationalize any industry un- less it is in the public interest, In General Motors for instance the employees can look after themselves, but where people are suffering through . inades quate medical attention we are going to take that out of private enterprise. There was @ young fellow in General Motors who had heart surgery and was sup- posed to be covered, but after eight months of unemployment he was living on $65 a week and ended up with a $1,200 medical bill. We intend to cover these catatastrophic situations. Q. Are there any plans for the Home purchasing plan to be extended to Oshawa? A, (Mr, Walker): Serviced lots must be offered to the On- tario Housing Commission in fairly will be offered in the south end large quantities. They sales tax or personal tax. "We must put first things first," he ended, "invest in those things that will return to our people the best possible dividends, and buy the frills only as we can afford to." QUESTIONS The first question was direct- ed to Mr. Pilkey. 'You propose more housing for more people and lower mortgage rates Where do you propose to get} the money with lower taxes?" Mr. Pilkey said his party was; calling for a greater distribu- tion of the tax burden. The super highways for instance had been built with the money of the ordinary car owner and the heavy trucking companies ought to be paying their fair share. In addition Ontario was the richest province in terms of mineral resources and the big corporations which exploited these resources were only pay- ing a fraction of their profits to the government. The mineral resources were the property of. the people, he said. On the question of housing he said it was so expensive because of the activities of land speculators, who should be taxed as if the land was built on. CAPITAL GAINS Questions then followed thick and fast and for the sake of 7 JAMES POTTICARY lays down that ex parte in- .»» Living Costs Too High pact as regards Oshawa? A. (Mr. Pilkey): I would have fought against it. In Oshawa 3,000 workers were affected, and yet this was called the) U.S.-Canada free trade agree-| ment. There were no guaran-| tees for displaced workers, and our party opposed it on that basis. A. (Mr. Potticary): Workers were displaced and the govern- ment did not have a set up to train these people. Business is} coming back and I feel in the long run the pact will benefit Oshawa 100 per cent. A. (Mr. Walker): I spoke out very strongly.in the legislature {ernment tribute? before a labor relations board. con-|We would respect picket lines. If a_ strike prepared to A. (Mr. Walker): The pro- vincial government does con? tribute a very large share. The provincial contribution toward the building is in the vicinity of $5,300 per bed and it would be available for any addition. Q. What do you think Mr. Robarts will be able to get from the federal government in tax relief for lower wage earners? A. (Mr. Pilkey): The NDP proposed a $4,000 basic exemp- tion for income tax but both Liberals and Conservatives lined up against it in the house against the pact. We were very incensed in the provincial gov- ernment because we were never brought into the picture. It is claimed by experts the pact is going to be of benefit and I can clarity are summarized below. Q. Can the people of Oshawa expect in the future GO trains will be extended here? A. (Mr. Walker). This has been asked a lot of me lately, and I have made speeches in the legislature about it. The original scheme was a pilot one to assess possibilities. The time limit of two years will probably be cut down and then consid- eration will be given to exten- sion of the system. Q. If you were elected.do you intend to sever your connec- tions with the union and serve only your constituents? A. (Mr, Pilkey). I have been an active unionist for about 17 years and I am not going to sever my operation with my union, Q. Where does the Liberal party intend to obtain the addi- tional money necessary to cover 80 per cent of the cost of edu- cation? A. (Mr. Potticary): The cost of government today is too high and has to be cut down and would be cut down by a Lib- eral government. Q. Is a capital gains tax necessary to your party's pro-| 'am? A. (Mr. Walker): We are cn! at the moment advocating a capital gains tax. A. (Mr. Pilkey): Our party is in favor, but I do not know what form it would take. We would have to see. A. (Mr. Potticary): If you are going to draw off people's wealth with a capital gains tax they will fold their tents and steal away in the night. Private enterprise is based on our dem- ocratic system and I would hope to keep it that way. AUTO PACT ing season. er, Progressive Conservative, Q. Where do you stand re-| garding the Canada-U.S. Auto! only expréss the hope that it will. be so. Q. You say you would tax/answer sets out the position|dict large corporations. and indus- tries. Would this not discour- age them from locating here? A. (Mr. Pilkey): We have made tremendous technological and scientific progress in this nation and yet with all this we have not been able to meet so- cial needs. There is the very real problem of the distribution of wealth to solve our prob- lems. We are not intending to put anybody out of business, all we are asking is that they pay a fair share of the profits they make, Q. You have promised to press for the implementation of the Smith Report on taxation Will you also press for the other items such as increase in per- sonal tax and property? A. (Mr. Walker): I do not think anybody in Canada would press for higher taxes. The con- cessions I mentioned are going to be introduced in 1968 with no increase in sales tax or per- sonal income tax. Q. What would be your an: swer to the housing problems of young married couples? A. (Mr. Potticary): They can- not save money for a deposit and we say the provincial gov- ernment should go into the sec- ond mortgage business. We would make it easier for them to get in a house. Secondly if you take 80 per cent of the edu- cational tax off the property owner this 'would bring their monthly payments down. Third- ly if you get into assembly line housing you are going to have cheaper houses. HOSPITAL Q. The people of Oshawa will) be building a $10,000,000 exten-/ sion to the hospital. Is the gov-| sition. of Pickering township and it de- pends on the housing situation and the properties involved whether they are taken up. LABOR LAWS Q. What are your feelings re- garding labor legislation and in- junctions and strikes? intervention in A. (Mr. Potticary): We are committed to a policy which junctions should be taken out| of the common courts and put as ALBERT WALKER -.»Many Accomplishments is legal nobody should be allowed to break it. A. (Mr. Pilkey): The. trade union movement has a better record of observing the labor laws than any other movement, than big business for instance. It has already called for the abolition of injunctions because this is one of the most unfair laws on the statute book today. He said that in Peterborough 25 men who were peacefully dem-| onstrating were sent to jail. A. (Mr. Walker): I have out- lined my position on this issue two or three times and we are against ex parte injunctions. We and voted against this propo-|would advocate taking the issue to the labor board the same as A. (Mr. Potticary): We can-|the Liberals. As far as wildcat not dictate to the federal gov- ernment what they are going to do. The best way to deal with it would be to give relief on pro-| either. vincial taxes. A. (Mr. Walker): The Liberal pretty fairly as far as we are concerned. Nobody in Ontario can do much about it. The fed-| eral government is a jurisdic- tion of its own. The most relief we could provide for taxpayers is in the matter of housing and education and doing something about municipal taxes. Q. Should. churches be taxed as proposed in the Smith Re- port? A. (Mr. Walker): Everything in the Smith Report is not law and gospel. I have spoken to Mr. Robarts himself on this question. At the present time we are already taxing the church buildings and it was his suggestion to me that he doubt- ed very much if we should tax the actual place of worship. EXPROPRIATION Q. At present expropriation of private property is based on the market value. Do you favor replacement value, market value or should the matter go to arbitration? A. (Mr. Pilkey): I think there should be replacement. Appraisal is usually made for the benefit of the city. If they take somebody's home they should replace it with a com- parable one. A. (Mr. Walker): It is an easy answer to make but it is a very, very difficult situation to overcome. It is hard to fix a replacement value today owing to the difference of valués between houses built in the past and today's houses. We are rapidly arriving at a much clearer picture. The thing to re- member is you are spending taxpayers' money. A. (Mr. Potticary): Some- thing must be done. These situ- FREE EDUCATION Q. What year would you pre- university students may Jexpect free education? A. (Mr. Potticary): When the Liberals get in in 1968. A. (Mr. Pilkey): called for the elimination of the barrier of fees and a program of grants and loans to students and we would provide them. We say everybody should have the strikes are concerned, we do not condone them and I don't think the labor movement does Ghe Sines THURSDAY, OCTOBER 12, 1967 Burns Blamed For Accident In Ajax Death AJAX (Staff) -- Burns causedjbeen chemist and production by an industrial accident re-;manager for 10 years, said he | sulted in the death of Bertratajhad been on a holiday at the Smith, a coroner's jury ruledjtime of the accident, but nor. at an inquest here Wednesday. mally was in charge of oper The jury concluded that death/ating the system. He said, 'Mr. was caused by "'a case of mis .|Smith knew the operation at We have/a@dventure in the operating of|Well as I did... he had full what was at that time a haz-/authority to operate the sys ardous operation'. Mr. Smith had been manager tem"'. When questioned as to the and secretary-treasurer of Te-|COndition of the equipment, he muss Products Canada Limited, chance to reach the higher|Which was owned by his broth- levels of education according to his ability to absorb it. A. (Mr. Walker): We are pay- ing in the neighborhood of $50,- 000,000 towards education, but I do not believe you can reason- ably say provide free univer- sity education. You must sit down and say, 'Where is the money coming from?' I would part of our program at the pres- er, the president of the com- pany. On July 11, Bertram Smith had been operating a system for the purification of Carnauba wax at the Temuss plant. Car- nauba wax is obtained from palm trees in South America, and is used in such products as floor wax and shoe polish. Evidence indicated that an be glad to see it but it is not|open valve permitted air, which part of our program at the pres- ent time. There is a system of grants and loans that can be secured. Q .Do you believe all sources of funds contributing to election campaigns should be pub- licized? A. (Mr. Pilkey): I definitely had filled a pipe, to rush out of the pipe and erupt molten par- affin wax, which was in a metal tank or vat. SPLASHED OVER About three-quarters of the 300 pounds of paraffin wax in the tank was displaced from it and some of this wax, at 225 de- do. We are prepared to revealloyees Centigrade, splashed over our sources at any time. A. (Mr. Potticary): I think Mr. Smith. He was immediately rushed they should be open for the peo-ltg ajax and Pickering General ple to see. Big business does not support me. Only the other day a young fellow walked in Hospital, and. later to Toronto East General Hospital, where he died about 48 hours after the and gave me $30 towards myYlaccident. Dr. A. W. Kirshener, campaign. been giving me_ small tions. dona- Small people have, pathologist, testified that Mr. Smith had suffered burns to 80 er cent of the front of his pi A. (Mr, Walker): I know-of body and 30 per cent of the no reason why I should be un-|pack of his body. willing to disclose if people donate $5 or $10. I just wish! French technician some of these parties would let us know everything that goes on. There are more ways of getting party funds than having cash in the bank. Gerrard Bedue of Willowdale, who had said "I consider it reliable". A safety officer from the De. partment of Labor testified he inspected the equipment on July 21, after the accident, and made certain recommendations as to alterations that would bs required for safe operation. DISMANTLED The department was inform- ed later the whole system had been dismantled, as the alter. ations would entail a rise in cost which would be un- economic. The presiding coroner, Dr. J. Ruddy, informed the jury that Bertram Smith had suf- fered nervous disorders as @ result of service in World War Two, and had been under his brother's care for a while. He described Mr. Smith as a tall, agile, and forceful man who was always on the move. Mr. Smith's brother admitted Bertram was @ nervous man and said, "He was too fast, planning too many things at once", Despite mental problems, the jury was told Mr. Smith tran the plant well and the company was making a profit at the time of his death. Dr. Ruddy said he felt it was a case of misadventure or tem- porary negligence on the part of Bertram Smith. Provincial Liberal Leader * I. E. 12 FEWER THAN 100 INJUNCTIONS ATTACKED Three Ontario South Candidates At Whitby Forum WHITBY (Staff) -- Fewer than 100 Whitby residents show- ed interest in the upcoming provincial election at a three- candidate forum at the Ander- son Street high school Wednes- day night. Although four candidates were invited to address the meeting, sponsored by the Blair Park Vista Ratepayers' Association, only three showed up, representing the Progres- sive Conservative, Liberal and New Democratic Parties. : The theme of the Ontario South riding campaign turned to labor last night, when Lib- eral candidate Alban Ward took exception to Premier Robarts' administration for jailing 30 Peterborough picketers but fail- ing to jail injunction breakers at an earlier Oshawa strike. Mr. Ward said the case clearly indicated inequality under the law. Progressive Conservative candidate William Newman said he disagreed with the present injunction legislation, and suggested a committee be set up, including persons from union, management, business and universities, to discuss ways and means of changing the legislation. NDP candidate Thomas Ed- wards said injunctions should be abolished and reminded the audience of a strike against The Oshawa Times last year, Mr. Edwards said he deplored the tactics used by manage- ment in obtaining an injunction 'a against 30 employees, most of whom were women. All three candidates took their stand on a_ proposed price-review board, following a question from the floor. Mr. Edwards said his party was definitely in favor of price con- trol, and would set up a board if elected. Mr. Newman said his party believed in free enterprise and he did not believe in the gov- ernment setting price controls. Mr. Ward said he would not support a wage and price freeze, but felt a board should be set up from time to time to review prices. Mr. Ward said prices at supermarkets dropped while a federal com- mission discussed food prices this summer, Mr. Ward said the whole country was on the move in this time of booming progress. He said a higher standard of living would have occurred whether the Tories were in power or not. Mr. Ward charged that Pro- gressive Conservatives were beginning to falter and fail in leadership, and suggested the electorate should have elected a commission, since the prov- ince set one up every time a problem arose. He also said the government had provided inadequate lead- ership in the field of education, adding that much of the fancy equipment bought for schools was collecting dust. Mr. Edwards said the situa- tion of high prices had been compounded by the provincial government placing sales tax on even essential items. Mr. Edwards said the so call- ed $50 gift from the basic ex- emption tax would be swallowed up in normal municipal in- creases, He reminded the audi- ence that taxes in Whitby went up $30 this year, Oshawa $40, Pickering township $84, and $100 in the Almonds area of Whitby township. The NDP candidate said that among the most badly treated and unrecognized people in the whole area were employees at the Ontario Hospital in Whitby. He said 90 per cent of the hos- pital employees qualified for government low rental housing in 1963 with a total income of $4,200. Ontario had been the envy of every other province in Can- ada during the past five years, he said. "Things don't just happen," said Mr. Newman. "They cost money and it is you that pays." He said Ontario had retrain- ed 150,000 of its residents dur- ing the past four years, and had one of the largest toll-free highway systems in North America. The Progressive Conservative candidate said 64 pieces of legislation were passed in four years, one of the recent ones being pollution control by the provincial government through toothy legislation. ) Robert Nixon, Ontario Lib- eral party leader, will visit Osh- awa tomorrow morning to help put the finishing touches on the Liberal campaign in Oshawa riding. : Mr. Nixon together with James Potticary, local Liberal candidate, will tour the down- town area of the city, starting at approximately 10 a.m. Mr. Nixon will be in Oshawa for about an hour. The last major speaking en- gagement for the three candi- dates in the Oct. 17 election will take place Sunday at 8 p.m. Mr. Potticary, Cliff Pil- key (NDP) and Albert Walker (PC) will address a young peo- ple's group at Albert Street Unit- ed Church. | The candidates will spend to- day and Friday attending coffee parties and canvassing door to door. Saturday, the routine var- ies, with Mr. Walker attending the official opening of Durham Here For Finishing Touch Potticary taking part in a par- ade down King St. at 1 p.m, and Mr. Pilkey participating in a union anniversary celebration. Alban Ward, Liberal candi- date in Ontario South, announc- ed he will take part in a tour Saturday through the various communities in his area. The tour will start at 11 a.m. and finish at 5:30 p.m. He said this would finish his personal cam- paigning, and Sunday would be devoted to election-day organi- zation. Mr. Ward, William Newman (PC) and Thomas Edwards (NDP) will attend an all-candi- dates meeting tonight at Sir John A. Macondald Public school, The meeting is sponsor- ed by the Bay Ridges Ratepay- ers Association. Mr. Newman spent today tour- ing Whitby with Michael Starr, MP for Ontario riding. Tomor- row, he will be in Ajax attend- ing coffee parties 'and canvas- College in the afternoon; Mr. sing door to door,