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. eT TP r ¢ Company Limited \M BS ice 97e Ib. unt Price E'S ITS eamy Chocolate to the package, scount Price saaiiiiniiiseaceieitiaee 4 ETA PTET Sylvia Mohoric¢, 10, daugh- ter of Mr. and Mrs. Mo- horic, 345 Olive Ave., grew this extra-tall corn, wnich she planted in May. The seeds were given to her by a teacher at St. Hedwig Separate School, who had just brought them over from Trinidad. The corn rises to 14 feet. --Oshawa Times Photo The city's rescue launch, sub- fect of a special Times' report yesterday, was given a new name at the board of control meeting yesterday -- '"H.M.S. Dry Rot". Con. Robert Nicol made the suggestion after city clerk Roy Barrand read a letter from the Air Transport Command Head- quarters, Trenton, submitted by Wilfred Gillberry, manager Oshawa harbor commission. "You could drown with con- fidence or float for eight hours", Con. Nicol said, referring to the report. The board instructed Mr. Bar- rand to get information from the Towarfgrescue organization at Oakvil obtain the views of the harbor commission and the Oshawa Yacht Club. Con. Ralph Jones said the board should ask Mr. Gillberry point blank what his responsi- bilities were for life saving. "] think this should be the res- ponsibility of the harbor com- mission," he said. In a letter dated Aug. 28, Fit..4, G. L. Gilbert of Air Transport Command, Trenton, said the federal department of transport provided a 70 - foot search - and - rescue cutter on Lake Ontario to assist in water rescue incidents. ROVING PATROL The letter said, '"'The Cana- dian coast guard cutter Spume is presently on a roving patrol of the Canadian waters in the lake and may be diverted by sh City Rescue Launch '| Given New Nickname amphibious -aircraft or helicop- ters from Trenton may be dis- patched to assist. "Regardless of the facility employed, it will require at least one hour from the time the RCC receives the alert be- fore assistance can be expect- ed in the distress area. "Therefore, little help can be provided for short duration em- ergencies, such as drownings, which are the responsibility of local or provincial police depart- ments or local rescue organi- zations. The Towarf rescue or- ganization at Oakville is an ex- cellent example of a local ar- r the rescue co-ordination centre at any time to answer a dis- tress call. "Should the cutter be a con- siderable distance away, it could require eight hours for. her to arrive on the scene. How- ever depending on the situation other SAR facilities, such as Canoe Leader Says City Provided '"Best" Welcome Oshawa received lavish praise Thursday from Adolf Ikert, leader of the cross-Canada Alexander Mackenzie Canoe trip. Mr. Ikert, also known as MacKenzie II, told The Times "Oshawa gave us the largest and best welcome in Canada ... in terms of friendship, good food and accommodation". He said the only other city to give a reception rivaling that of Oshawa was the Detroit recep- tion but added "Oshawa hasn't been outdone by one minute". Since leaving Pouce Coupe in the Peace River district of northern British Columbia last May, the 10 men covered 5,200 miles by water and 15,000 with the bus which carries their supplies and spare equip- ment. They arrived at Expo Sept. 1 and the three who are return- ing with the bus and ing the canoe on a trailer stopped in Lakeview Park Wednesday night. Mr. Ikert has taken over 25,- 000 feet of color film since leav- ing Pouce Coupe and intends to convert this into a 16 mm. film for distribution to schools and clubs throughout Canada. He has also produced his own newspaper called "The Ex- plorer". Ikert has kept exten- sive diaries of the journey and hopes to combine his research with his adventures on the trip into a book which he wants to write over the next two years. issue of 'The Explorer" will feature Oshawa and the reception it provided for the Mackenzie canoeists. The group calculated on spending over $45,000 on sup- plies and other vital necessities but found the generosity ex- tended by Canadians along the way has reduced the cost of the venture to $28,000. Only into Kingston did the Mackenzie canoeists run into a hostile reception. An unfriendly police inspector didn't like the group selling trinkets and tried to get them to leave town. Al- though the incident resulted in Canada - wide publicity, group members feel it was only the action of one man. They told The Times Kingston held out the welcome mat for them when they stopped there on the return trip. Aberdeen Angus Brings Top Price A 930-pound Aberdeen Angus Steer fetched a high of 52 cents per pound at Port Perry Fair recently. The steer, owned by Malcolm Bailey of Uxbridge, was reserve champion. Eleven steers were sold at the fair for an average of 37 cents per pound. Biggest was a 1,160-pounder sold by Frank Honey, Port - Perry, for 34 cents per -pound. The champion, a 655-pounder owned by National Stud Farm, sold at 46 cents per pound. "In summation there is a fed- eral government organization responsible for SAR on the Great Lakes which will assist whenever possible. However this organization cannot cover distress incidents that require immediate assistance in a con- fined area and therefore must rely on public spirited local or- ganizations for this work." FEDERAL WATER Pointing out that it was fed- eral water, Con. Nicol said he had found out rescues were the responsibility of Ontario Pro- vincial Police, who telephoned the Oshawa fire department, because the OPP had no facili- ties for the work. "Four or five hundred yards out in the lake we could not get people from Trenton in time. It has been an onus on the city since 1928. There are lifeguards for the beach, but I think this is an urgent matter and something we have to pre- vent from: becoming worse with the number of boats down at the marina. "People are going out in laun- ches and small boats beyond the harbor, maybe a mile out." HAVE RADIOS Most of the boats, he said, had radio, and the civil defence centre at Pickering had radio equipment on its rescue boat. "They are getting more and more into water rescue', he said. "We would lose more firemen than casualties if they used the launch" said Con. Ralph Jones. Mr. Barrand said 13 years ago the city had a boat and the Oshawa Yacht club kept an eye on it for the city, keeping it ship-shape, and generally ar- ranged to have somebody on emergency call. The yacht club had also ag- reed to look after the present boat. "T think they now have an emergency squadron and some- body wiuld be there on very short notice. They are trained in the ways of the water," he added, roe 'MINI SKIRTS ACCEPTED Principals at Oshawa and district high schools are not getting up in the air about the rising hemlines of miniskirts. And their attitude towards long hair is somewhat down to earth. A 'survey of nine principals revealed none violently oppos- ed to the skimpy skirts, but neither do they praise them as being appropriate garb for the classroom. Most don't like the long hair, but are forced to "tolerate" it. Leonard Lucas of Bowman- ville High School had a slight- ly different approach. "I encourage miniskirts,' he said, "provided the legs meet the requirements, and I encour- age long hair because nobody wants to look like the three or four who have it." S. T. Finbow, principal at Mc- Laughlin Collegiate, said, "I don't feel the long hair is sprea- ding -- there is about the same amount this year as in the last two years. If it is clean, een BY we are tolerating it. Some young- sters are in bands and need the long hair -- they don't like wigs. GOOD TASTE "I have no complaints about the mini skirts," Mr. Finbow said. "A lot has to do with the parents' good taste. They seem to control the girls bet- ter than the boys." At Donevan Collegiate, princi- pal Arnold Schell said no stan- dards had been set, and long ne SCHOOL PRINCI hair and mini skirts had not become critical issues. "If a girl has the legs for it, I'll go along with the short skirts," he said. "But if the by- products aren't favorable, then look out -- I'm going to de something about it." In Whitby, the principal at Henry Street school, Omer Ed- gely, said he had no prublems as yet, but if there were any extremes they would be dealt with on an individual basis. lems at O'Neill Collegiate, ac- cording to principal, A. M. Dixe on. He said "I jokingly told them at the beginning of the year I wouldn't be able to tell the boys from the girls --. they seem to have got the message." Only school where there could be a problem is Pickering High School, but principal, D. J. Ket» tle is not talking. "T'm not going to advertise these problems," he said. "'Put- ting pieces in the paper is not going to help one bit." omen reer nunnattnen nn nnn ne ai nyo Ghe Simes FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 1967 Fees proposed by council's recreation committee for swim- ming instruction at the new pool in the Civic Auditorium brought protests from board of control members yesterday. They said they were too high. "I do not see why people should have to pay at all,'"' said Con. Robert Nicol. "After all the pool was built with their money." "It was built by the people for the. people," said Con. Margaret Shaw. "If they are going to charge these prices they should pay for the care- taker and the people involved. We are taking it out of the taxpayer on one hand and ex- pecting them to pay for the custodian as well." URGENCY On the motion of Mayor Ern- its views. ily. This Proposed Fees Draw Protest est Marks, the matter was re-|the number of children in one fam-|torium pool would b would provide 10! crowded. {weeks of instruction and one |week's test. Up to the age of 17 the individual rate proposed was $6 and for over 18, $10. For the public swimming |periods with an average of two hours, the proposed charges were 15 cents for chil- dren, 25 cents for students and 75 cents for adults. | Special swimming rates |given were, children $1,25, stu- |dents $2, adults $6. Pool rentals |suggested, with the services of a lifeguard, were $15 for up- wards of 50 people and an extra $1.50 for any additional guards required. |SIMILAR RATE | Deputy city |Lundy said clerk the Cecil) DET, SGT. J, POWELL Policemen Elect Powell Det. Sergeant John Powell of the Oshawa Police Department has been elected president of the Ontario County Crime Con- | ference. iii gins i Neither are there any prob- vm i na 10) ema 2 00400 Ma Council Requests Apology On Overtime Observations 4) Consultant On "Hot Seat," Members Fire Questions you look in Webster's diction-| responsibility to.do it." Donald Brown, personnel con- sultant of 'Warnock Hersey Management Consultants Ltd., was on the city council "hot seat" last night when he was questioned about his observa- tions on overtime earnigs of city engineers, made at a board of control meeting last month. The session was marked by a protest from commissioner of works Fred Crome, who said his family had been subjected to abuse and comments from the public in the last few weeks, and an outburst from Con. Margaret Shaw, who lash- ed out at all and sundry. She had moved unsuccessfully that the engineers be excluded from the special meeting. "Let's stop being cozy and apologizing," she demanded. To the city engineers sitting in a corner she exclaimed: "I wish department heads would stop snickering a bit. They might learn something," and whipping round to Ald. Ernest Whiting, who had jumped from his seat she snapped: "You sit ary you will find it is not," he said. Referring to the Woods, Gor- don report on staff in 1961, which he said cost $10,000, Ald. John DeHart asked: 'What. is he hired for as far as the city is concerned?" Mr. Brown said in 1965 his firm was called in to do a job evaluation for those people not in the bargaining unit because some were receiving salary in- creases to the point where dif- ferentials ceased to have much meaning. They worked with all the department heads and all those not in the bargaining unit and they still had a continuing system of job evaluation for the city today. Ald. DeHart said later the Woods, Gordon report said the city engineer's department had the largest staff comparable with any other city of the same size, ""You now say that in 1965 Ald, Alice Reardon: "I am not satisfied with the answers }on overtime. Do you still feel the way you did when you jmade the first statement?" | Mr. Brown: "I must -empha- size that my remarks were just not directed at the engineers. |Not one group of people, but any group involved in this way." Ald. Paynter: "Will your job come to an end? I believe the initial period was for two years?" Mr. Brown: "Yes the period for most municipalities is for two years. Then we can go on |with a maintenance program jas we call it. At the present time we have a number of such programs going and have done for 15 years. No such pro- gram was in operation for Oshawa." Replying to Ald. Bruce Mac- key, he said he had evaluated the engineer's department was|about 10 or 12 jobs for the city understaffed," he said. Mr. in the last few months, and in Brown said it was found the|most cases had recommended a The election was made at the down. I am going to have my proposed| monthly meeting of the confer-|Say. You are no bigger to me charges were much in line with|ence, held this week at Lind-|standing up in your boots than the fees charged by the Boys' Club. "We are paying the bill for instructors,"' Mr. Lundy said it was felt if Say. The conference is a meeting| : of 60 - 70 officers and detec-|Mayor Ernest Marks, \ said Con.|tives from the police forces of|finally moved that Mr. Brown|gineers ferred back as a matter of|Nicol. "Twenty dollars is a lot| Ontario County, Lindsay, Peter-|and his firm send a letter of work," he said. "Population|engineers for any imputation urgency to the auditorium's|of money for people with a|borough, and Bowmanville. board of management which|family. It might take it out of was asked to report and give|their range and they are en-jeral titled te learn to swim at the Reading from the recrea-/ pool." tion committee recommenda- tion, city clerk Roy Barrand|no charge was made other said the proposed fees for swim-|swimming facilities would not ming lessons were $20 for any|be used at all and the audi- They meet monthly for a gen-|copy to the Association of Pro- exchange of police - infor- and 'in to close contacts for the sake of inter- force co-operation. meeting in Oshawa. Det. Sergeant Powell hopes/of tl to arrange to have the next/company, time to think about it, and they/on. sitting down." apology to the council and a|growth had fessional Engineers, manded by Mr. Crome. as de- Mr. Brown, who was present} workload was great." MANY CHANGES "very, very|higher salary. Some had been in the 'engineers' department because work responsibility A great many devel On the recommendation of|and changes were taking place. council| '"There was no question the en- doing excess|able he should apologize to the were lnded had In answer to Con. Jones he said he thought it only reason- and continuing to expand." were b of is|dish ty in agreeing to the word 'padding'. "I do apologize Earlier Mr. Brown had said|very much," he said. that Oshawa had mushroomed; To Ald. Gilbert Murdoch he 9 much in the last few years said that to study overstaffing with William Isaac, m its pr or how much overtime was be- he appraisals section of the|much greater. "It is a very,|ing worked they would co-oper. said he would like|very progressive city," he went/ate with heads of departments, "There is no doubt about/find out how much each indl- jeft to confer on the letter atjit, it is the fastest growing|vidual was doing and then ga over- BOWMANVILLE (Staff) Douglas P. Moffatt, a 30-year- old farmer and teacher - prin- cipal, was nominated last night as the New Democratic Party candidate for Durham riding in the Oct. 17 Ontario election. Mr. Moffatt, who won the nomination by acclamation at a meeting of some 100 party members, resides on a 100-acre farm at Elizabethville with his wife, Frances, and their two children. He is principal of Orono Public School and has never be- fore had a hand in politics. In his first address as a can- didate, following his nomination at Bowmanville High School, he said the provincial government should strive for equality in ed- ucational standards across On- tario. He said that under the Douglas Moffatt Nominated NDP Candidate For Durham existing grant set - up, rural areas suffer because essential services must be paid by prop- erty taxes. "The new provincial govern- ment should modernize the grant system to completely cov- er the cost of education," he said. The nomination of the Dur- ham Riding NDP Association was conducted by Clifford Pil- key, NDP candidate in Oshawa riding. Guest speaker, Fred Young, MPP, Yorkview, criticized the government for its lack of in- terest in providing solutions to the crisis facing city dwellers in regard to housing. He stres- sed the importance of relieving the burden on the property own- er for paying services through 200 Clubs In Parade More than 200 clubs and soci- eties will participate in the seventh annual Canadian Corps Association Drumhead parade and service, Saturday. Air Vice-Marshal A, Chester Hull will be guest speaker at the service, to be held at the Memorial Park bandshell. He will take the salute from par- ticipating units at the corner of Church and Richmond Streets during the parade. The parade will begin at 2:15 p.m. at Alexandra Park, and proceed down Golf Street and along Adelaide Street to Church Street, and Centre and Metcalfe Streets to the park. After the memorial service, the procession will return to the Oshawa armories, where tro- phies will be presented to par- ticipating units. i Several civic and military dig- taxation such as welfare, edu- 'cation and justice. nitaries are expected to attend. Al T. Wason, centre, dir- ector of public works in Barbados, West Indies, sur- veys the set - up at Osh- awa's Farewell Avenue sew- age treatment plant as part part of a nine - day educa- tional mission in Oshawa that ends today. His trip here, to study the city's CITY'S PUBLIC WORKS SYSTEM STUDIED public works system, was sponsored by the Canadian federal aid Colombo Plan. With him in this picture, are W. O. McBride, (arm outstretched), maintenance engineer with the city's pub- lic works department, and T. E. White, superintendent at the pollution eontrol centre. Mr. Wason, educate ed in Canada, has been dir- ector of Barbados publie works since 1957 and is stu- their Toronto headquarters. sible," said Mayor council meeting on Monday." STATEMENT Reading from a _ prepared statement, Mr. Brown opened the proceedings by saying it was unfortunate that reports seemed to have attributed a completely different meaning to his remarks than was in- tended. "My remarks about over- time referred to conditions which existed over two years ago when the engineering de- partment was seriously over- loaded with work and was short of staff," he said. "These conditions, as you know, have since been remedied. "When I said that I was not satisfied that explanations given for overtime are always entirely justified, I did not mean in any way to impute dishonesty to anyone. My meaning was that overtime on taxing to the energy of the in- dividual and is not justifiable as a method of solving short- ages of staff. "I have been reported to have said that in the past some of the city's engineers' payments for overtime were as great as their salaries. This underlines how overworked the engineers were. "When Con. Nicol asked me 'In other words, it is padding?' I did not take this to imply any dishonesty to the engineers, rather that the engineering staff was forced to put in long hours of extra work to make up for staff shortages. "Finally with regards to my remarks concerning the posi- tion of secretary to the board of control I -would like to say this. It is my opinion that the qualifications for this position are not necessarily to be found amongst any specific pro- fessional group. It' would be better for the candidate to have had a variety of experience. "However an engineer with administrative experience would certainly, in my opinion, fill the requirements, with the possible exception that some- one with this type of qualifica- tion would be seeking a salary level higher than that contem- plated for the position of sec- retary. "In closing may I say that I very much regret if remarks of mine have caused any mis- dying physical and ic operational factors invol- ved in the Oshawa system. Today, he 'will study the city bus transportation op- understanding and can assure you that my opinion on these matters are as I have stated here tonight," said Mr. Brown. Answering Con, Ralph Jones eration. --Oshawa Times Photo he said he did not think 'pad- ding' implied dishonesty, "If Marks, a continuing basis can be over-) city. A great many things are/out in the field and make a welopments, areas we work in." Ald. DeHart said although he agreed with job evaluation, he did not understand how Mr. Brown came to be involved in the question of overtime. "He should. not have been asked these questions in the first place," he said. QUESTIONS Points from other questions were: Ald. Shaw: "When we hired the firm in 1965, was not it also the thinking that as well as evaluating the jobs it would give us some idea as to the number of people per popula- tion per department and so on. Did we not also ask about the number of bodies we need in city hall?" Mr, Brown: "It did not ap- pear in our terms of refer- }ence. There were certain things |we brought to the attention of council because they were ob- \yjous things, but it was not our Studied By Policies of other cities are closely studied and if their methods of doing a job were more efficient, an attempt was made to incorporate it into Oshawa's system. Commissioner of works, Fred Crome, said this in reply to Ald, Charles McIiveen at a spe- cial council meeting held in city hall last night to discuss a two- hour 'in depth' study of the de- partment presented on Monday night. Ald. Mcllveen asked if any comparison was made witl cities of comparable size. "I understand Kitchener does only 45 per cent of its engineering," he said. 'Is it cheaper or more expensive?" Mr. Crome said it was a mat- ter of council policy. It depend- ed on the level of service pro- vided. "We are always on the look-out for improvements, which we carry out to the limit of our time and policy." He gave an instance of a sewer cleaning machine which saved time and money, and deputy commissioner Robert Richardson said the city' had saved the cost of heavy equip- ment used on one big job car- ried out by the department and thus obtained the equipment free for future use. "We'd like it as soon as pos-|happening such as housing de-|check. ' shopping centres| STATEMENT "preferably in time for ourjand that kind of thing which we do not find in many other/said the discussion had strayed In his statement, Mr. Crome far from the subject of the meeting. 'I do not mind abuse, but when my honesty and integ- rity are questioned that is a different matter. I think te clear up the situation there should be a definite un- equivocal statement from Mr. Brown and. his firm which should be sent to council and copy sent to the Association o! Professional Engineers. His re- marks on padding should be withdrawn as his explanation does not tie in with the re- marks quoted. There should also be some further explana- tion of his observation that the secretary of the baard of con- trol should not be an engineer because engineers are as close a shop as some doctors. The average person does not con- sult Webster's dictionary to find out what padding means." He asked that the statement should be given the widest pub- licity possible. Policies Of Other Cities Department Concern about the ages of personnel in the maintenance department was voiced by Ald. William Paynter. "If 53.1 per cent are over 50 it: must cut down your efficiency," he said. Mr. Crome said this was a problem which was under re- view, and recommendations would be submitted in the near future. "Retirements will be coming on," he added, "and we must think about building up a younger work force. One of our difficulties is that we are limited in the amount of lighter work we can provide for the older men." Referring to the Woods, Gor- don report of 1962 Ald. John De- Hart said this showed a lot of people were employed on sub- division work. "Why not cut it down?" he suggested. Mr. Crome said supervision of subdivision design was one of the most effective ways the city had of controlling the serv- ices which went in. Once the design had been approved it was passed out for contract. He said his department was out of the "contracting business" almost entirely. Replying to Ald. James Rundle he said four out of seven new posts scheduled to be filled in 1967 were still vacant