Oshawa Times (1958-), 17 Jan 1967, p. 4

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Ohe Oshawa Cines 86 King St. E., Oshawa, Ontario Published by Canadian Newspapers Limited T. L. Wilson, Publisher E. C. Prince, Associate Publisher OSHAWA, ONTARIO, TUESDAY, JANUARY 17, 1967 Present Opposition Role Best For NDP, And Land The gain in popular favor shown for the New Democratic Party in current Gallup Polls is overshadow- ed by a situation that developed more than two score years ago. In 1943, support for the CCF, the Lib- eral and Conservative parties stood almost exactly equal in the public opinion polls. Yet, two years later the final tally in the federal election gave the Liberals 125 seats The Conservatives 67 and the CCF, 28. Twenty years ago, the CCF party was not receiving the assistance in image-building the NDP is today from the leadership of "the old line" parties. It is continuing to be dissatisfaction with Liberal* and Conservative machinations rather than positive acceptance of NDP tenets that influence the opinion polls. However, for those who do turn to the NDP "as the party best suit- ed for people like me", the opinion of Mr. J. Coldwell, the socialist leader with the stature and public appeal to lead his country, is worth recalling. Bruce Hutchison reports an interview many years back when Mr. Coldwell was asked where he would get the money to finance his grandiose program, he said in the higher income brackets. Unfortun- ately, on examining the actual fig- ures he found that the money wasn't there after all. "In honesty," Mr. Hutchison comments, "Mr. Douglas must say that he intends today to squeeze the middle and lower brackets with over taxes or, more likely with cov- ert inflation, and to regulate all as- pects of life under an_all-wise state." For the future of the country-- and of the NDP too--the socialists are better placed in their present opposition roles. Without the re- sponsibilities of office, they can de- mand all manner of social reform. In office it would have to admit the full cost of NDP promises. and recommendations. It would be an embarrassing revelation for the so- cialists and an expensive one for the country. Race Tycoons On Rails Undoubtedly recent newspaper reports of the dire plight of race track owners and operators will wrench many a soul-wracking sob from the chest of even the most hard-hearted. It seems that because of declining profits (which are still comfortably in the tens of millions of dollars) the race track operators' executive group are contemplating asking for tax relief from the government. We can see the unbidden and un- controllable tears welling up in the eyes of the most stoic patrons of the 'Sport of Kings' as they contem- plate this unfair and unkind twist of fiscal fate which threatens their benefactors. For benefactors they must indeed consider themselves when one ob- serves that they publicise their en- deavors as 'relaxing and healthful She Oshawa Times L, WILSON, Publisher £. C. PRINCE, General Manager C. J. McCONECHY, Editor SUBSCRIPTION RATES The Oshawa Times combining The Oshawa Times {established 1871) and the Whitby Gozette and Chronicle (established 1863) is published daily (Sundays ond Statutory holidays excepted). Members of Canadian Daily Newspaper Publish- ers Associatiun, The Canadian Press, Audit Bureau Association. The Canadian Press is exclusively entitled to the use of republication of all news itched in the paper credited to It or to The Associated Press cr Reuters, ond also the loco! mews published therein. Ali rights ef special des- botches are also reserved, Offices: Thomson Bullding, 425 University Avenue, Toronto, Ontario; 640 Cathcart Street Montreal, P Delivered by corriers in Oshawa, Whitby, Ajax, Pickering, Bowmanville, Brooklin, Port Perry, Prince Albert, Maple Grove, Hampton, Frenchman's Bay, Liverpoo!, Taunton, Tyrone, Dunbarton Enniskillen, Orono, Leskard, Brougham, Burketon, Claremont, Manchester Pontypoc!, and Newcastle not over SSc per week. By mail in Province of Ontorio outside carrier delivery crea, $15.00 per year. Provinces and Commonwealth Countries, $18.00 per year, U.S.A. and foreign $27.00 pe year, Beene neers GOOD EVENING family entertainment' when they allude to the barn-storming capers of bang-tails at the various tracks throughout the country. No one but the most completely naive person can fail to recognize that 99% of the habitues of today's race tracks are no more interested in the rippling muscles of the thor- oughbred equines than they are of the fact that the horse is fifteen hands high. They are only inter- ested in the beautiful round figures as they are flashed on the tote board. Moreso if they happened to have a deuce on the nose of the win- ner. Black or white, dappled grey or even strawberry roan. It seems only a few years ago that the racing season in Canada comprised two or three weeks in the summer and fall. Now, however, the racing addict is enabled to squander his hard-earned pay over hundreds of days every season un- der Government jurisdiction. It is all too sad that in most cases those who lose at the races can least afford it. In this day and age it is more than a little ludicrous to see a hand- ful of affluent patrons of the Sport of Kings; who control racing and race tracks; bemoaning their less- ening profits and suggesting that some form of tax relief be intro- duced to help their sagging loot. Our suggestion would be. that periodically they hold a tag day for themselves and sell tags to the rac- ing fans as they enter the tracks. Of course the tags would be suitably inscribed, 'For the relief of desti- tute race-track owners." OTTAWA REPORT Session Resumes For Suntan Set By PATRICK NICHOLSON OTTAWA--Last Monday, MPs reassembled for the 181st day's sitting of the first session of Canada's 27th Parliament--a session which opened Jan. 18, 1966 and may well run on into March this year. The House opened at 2.30 p.m. By 3 o'clock the stragglers had taken their seats, to make up the not too-impressive attend- ance record of 137 out of 263 MPs--69 Liberals,. 48 Conserva- tives, 12 New Democrats, four Creditistes, two Independents and one Social Creditor. Most of the 126 absentees were still away on holiday, but there were many suntans to bear witness to Christmas spent in warmer climates. Public Works Minister George Mcll- raith had been staying at his house at Fort Lauderdale, Fla.; former secretary of state Mau- rice Lamontagne apparently had chosen Guadeloupe; former Tory minister Gordon Churchill ran into a trap by asking For- eign Minister Paul Martin if the purpose of his holiday visit to the West Indies was to confer with the prime minister of Bar- bados concerning Vietnam, and if so what was the result? Paul retorted smoothly: "The result of my visit was that I was more widely appreciated in Barbados than was my honor- able friend who I understand was holidaying in Antigua." DELAYED BACKLOG The first item of business of course was replies to written questions. No less than 160 of these remained unanswered, some dating back over six months. During the 244 weeks of parliamentary holiday, re- plies to 37 of these had accum- ulated. Those replies yielded such varied and no doubt im- portant information as that the 71-~-year--old vessel Victorious still plying the Great Lakes last season was inspected in April, and that the town of Thorburn, N.S., will not have its mail route discontinued. Of greater significance and in- terest were two questions deal- ing with transportation. From one of these, we see the spec- tacular growth of passenger service on Air Canada. In 1956, the airline's daily average was 5,664 passengers. In 1961, that average was 10,170; and during the first nine months of 1966, the average was 15,234. We can deduce that during the whole year, Air Canada carried nearly 6,000,000 passengers. This total compares with 6,868,283 passen gers carried by Canadian Pa- cific Railway, and 16,760,830 passengers carried by Canadian National Railways in 1965--the last year for which figures are available. These totals of railroad pas- sengers come from the reply to the second question, which com- pared the use of railroads in 1956 and in 1965. During that period, the CNR traffic in- creased by about 2,250,000 pas- sengers, while CPR traffic de- creased. by almost the same figure; Air Canada's traffic, in contrast, showed an increase of nearly 4,000,000 passengers or, in percentage terms, an in- crease of nearly 200 per cent while CNR showed an increase of 15 per cent and CPR dropped by 22 per cent. POPULATION GROWTH Another question asked what was the population of each prov- ince at the time it entered Con- federation. This showed that bsequently the population of every province has grown, by amounts which vary from the phenomenal 4,500 - per - cent in- crease in the population of Brit- ish Columbia, to the meagre six- per-cent increase in our beauti- ful Garden Province of P.E.I. Our total population today is however little more than half the 40,000,000 which our first prime minister, Sir John A. Macdonald, predicted for our 100th birthday. After the question period, the House moved. on, at about 3.45 p.m., to discuss Bill C-231, "'to define and implement a national transportation policy for Can- ada." And so, with a break for supper between 7 and 8 p.m., the business of the first day of the resumed session continued, until adjournment at 10.38 p.m. Frontenac Fostered Plays To Displeasure Of Bishop By BOB BOWMAN It is only in recent years that theatre in Canada has had much opportunity for develop- ment. The struggle began in 1694 when Bishop St. Vallier of Quebec denounced the produc- tion of comedies and tragedies. This is not meant to imply that the church has been responsible for the slow development of the theatre in Canada! There have been many problems. When Count Frontenac was serving his second term as gov- ernor of Canada, and was try- ing to raise the morals of the colonists, he encouraged the production of plays for the en- tertainment of the garrison at Quebec. His most- able lieuten- ant was Antione de la Mothe Cadillac who eventually went on to found Detroit' and also became governor of Louisiana. During the winter of 1694 Cad- illac took great delight in pro- ducing two plays for Frontenac. When Bishop St. Vallier de- nounced the plays Jan. 17, Cad- illac was all the more pleased because like Frontenac, he ob- jected to the authority of the church. In order to make Bishop St. Vallier even more angry Cad- illac caused a rumor to spread that he was going to produce a play by Moliere called Tartuffe which was a satire on evil hid- ing behind the mask of religion. Bishop St. Vallier really hit the roof about that one, and Cadil- lac wrote to a friend: "Mon- sieur de St. Vallier sweated blood and water to stop a tor- rent that existed only in the imagination." The incident caused a row that lasted for years, and prob- ably resulted in Cadillac being sent to Louisiana against his wishes, after he had founded Detroit. OTHER JAN. 17 EVENTS: 1524--Giovanni Verrazano, in service of France, sailed from Madeira on voyage that took him up coast of North America to Nova Scotia. 1651--Jean de Lauzon was ap- pointed governor of Canada. 1700--Pierre LeMoyne d'Iber- ville built fort on Mississippi 38 miles below present-day New Orleans. rt 1840 -- French Canadians of Quebec protested union with Upper Canada. 1881 -- Interprovincial bridge opened at Ottawa, BIBLE "Ye that love the Lord, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked." Psalms 97:10. The people of God are to be different, dedicated and discer- pea "Avoid the appearance of evil. SEA orn samva eit ete meet BY JACK GEARIN Political Winds Start To Blow In County a Did somebody say that strong political winds are starting to blow at the provincial level in Ontario County? Robert Nixon, the Liberals new leader, started the ball rolling last week -- he came out in Oshawa with the prediction that there would be a Provincial election before June. Mr. Nixon was in fighting trim for his appearance before students at the O'Neill Collegi- ate and Vocational School. He said his party was "'ready and waiting' for the big event and that it could field candidates in 75 ridings. As if to lend emphasis to the Nixon forecast, Ontario County Tories came out three days later with plans for a major dinner Feb. 10. It will be the type of party clambake that was once so pop- ular with the riding PC's, with plenty of big names (Michael Starr, Dr. Matthew Dymond, Albert V. Walker and William "Bill" Newman, provincial can- didate in the new riding of On- tario south, and Senator Allis- ter Grosart). It will be the Tories' first big social soiree since the redistri- bution shuffle, which so dras- tically changed the ridings' borderlines (for instance, Albert V. Walker's Oshawa riding is now confined exclusively to Osh- awa City). The presence of Senator Grosart, an old pro at mapping top - flight political strategy, will emphasize the im- portance of the get-together. The Tories have long enjoyed golden days in Ontario County at the Federal and Provincial levels, but they don't intend to rest on those laurels. They're getting ready for the storms that lie ahead, such as that up- coming Provincial election. How time changes all. The Ontario Municipal Board, at long last, has decided to get tough. Several major municipalities will have to cut back on capital spending this year or the CMB will do it for them. That's what J. A. Kennedy, the OMB's chairman, said last week and it's just about time. The OMB should have ex- ercised this authority far mure often and long ago; otherwise, what right have they to be called "The Watchdog of On- tario's Municipal Spending?" Like an indulgent father, the OMB doesn't like to get touch, but the time has arrived whe> it must take action or financial chaos will follow in the munici- pal world. Be Kennedy says that - unless there is a marked change in the policy of some municipal- ities, the capital budgets of eight or nine cities will be forc- ibly reduced this year as com- pared with only two or three last year. This kind of talk is refreshing and Mr. Kennedy makes sense when he says too many munici- pal leaders worry about repay- ment after the loan has been made instead of before it. They simply go ahead and incur debts with little serious con- cern, which places a heavy and unfair burden on generations to come. Some of the per capita debts for municipalities in Ontario are awesome (Ottawa's was $400 two years ago) as this crazy spending spree continues. Oshawa isn't up with the lead- ers, but its per capita debt is high enough for a city of 77,000 at $157. What troubles many local taxpayers is the size of our annual interest payments on capital expenditures. It usually. hovers around the $1,000,000 mark and this seems like in- excusable waste. The new board of control and city council will quickly learn one thing, if they already don't know the lesson -- the reduction of capital spending will quickly arouse a many circles. y But this is a necessary policy if we are to keep our heads a- bove water financially. It is also a policy supported by the great majority of electorate as the 1966 civic election pointed out. As Mr. Kennedy put it so eloquently: "The taxpayer has a right to look for extreme pur- dence on the part of elected representatives in the light of today's economic conditions." Chairman Hayward Murdoch feels that his Oshawa Centennial committee is about ready to start getting things done now Not only have the incumbents at city hall appeared to be co- operative towards this many plans, but have also sent him some high-class help with which to bolster his executive ranks. People like Aldermen William C. Paynter, John DeHart, Whiting and Controller Robert Nicol combine a ot of organiz- ing experience and should be a real asset to the group. The hour is late, however, and much remains to be done if the City is to have the kind of Cen- tennial program of which it can be proud. What the committee needs more than anything is more support from the public, especially volunteers who will take on the 1,001 jobs assigned the committee. THE HOLE IN THE SHIELD norms somite tngn 'unseat AR aa AT FOREIGN NEWS ANALYSIS Anti- Missile 'Stand Off By PHILIP DEANE Foreign Affairs Analyst With -Canada's -existence -at stake, a major hreak-through in disarmament is being nego- tiated by Llewellyn Thompson, the U.S. diplomat who has ar- rived in Moscow for a second stint there as American ambas- sador. He took with him a proposal by President Joh a good chance of getting through either by changes of course, especially near the tar- get, or by releasing large num- bers of decoys, mock warheads that will confuse the defence. The decoys can be made to give the same image as the real warhead on infra-red or radar screens; it is merely a question of making the decoys that the two super-powers agree not to build anti-missiles be- cause of their cost, unreliability and easy detection by spy-in the-sky satellites. The radar to detect an inter- continental ballistic missile 20 minutes before it reaches its target, to follow its path, pre- determine its point of impact and direct the anti-missile fof an interception, is a huge com- plex cf installations, some with antennae as large as football fields standing on their side, and costing $40,000,000,000 each for the U.S. and Russia. Even with such equipment, the attacking missile will stand TODAY IN HISTORY Jan. 17, 1967... The United States bought the three islands-in the Vir- gin Islands group, east of Puerto Rico, 50 years ago today--in 1917--from Den- mark for $25,000,000 after a Danish plebiscite. The purchase was for strategic naval reasons, since the is- lands are half-way between New York and Panama and control the Anegada sea- lane from the Atlantic to the Caribbean. The islands now are an unincorporated U.S. territory: its inhabitants are U.S. citizens but it has no vote in presidential elec- tions and no voice in Con- gress. 1821--Mexico made the first Texan land grant to a U.S. citizen, Moses Austin. 1919 -- 460 people were drowned when the French ship Chaonia was wrecked in the Straits of Messina. First World War Fifty years ago today--in 1917--the Russians recap- tured Vadeni, R i gh like the real thing, and that is a problem of weight. Both Russia and the U.S. have reliable, tested rockets with more than enough power to carry the necessary decoys. That is why scientists assume that a high proportion of attack- ing missiles will get through the first salvo of anti-missiles attempting an interception far above the earth. Consequently, both American and Russian anti - missile systems provide for a second salvo, much closer to the earth. These reserve anti-missiles will also have to contend with decoys and will have to achieve interception in split seconds; their chances of scoring a kill will be fewer. Even if the second salvo did score kills, these would be at altitudes low enough to threaten the land below with fallout and with the tremendous heat of ex- ploding nuclear warheads--be- cause the anti-missile and the missile it kills will go up in one gigantic storm of flame, prob- ably over Canada, in the case of a Russian attack. The damage will be less than if the attacking issile reached its intended target but, even so, tremendous danger of radioation death there would be, necessitating exten- sive shelter construction. Thus, an anti - missile pro- gram, at this stage, offers rela- tively little protection consider- ing its cost, and two anti-mis- sile systems would cancel one another in terms of the arms race. So, an agreement not to build anti-missiles is not impos- sible, especially since spy-in- the sky satellites easily detect the huge construction operations involved, African Envoys Discount Discrimination In Ottawa By MARILYN ARGUE OTTAWA (CP) --If African diplomats in Ottawa suffer from racial discrimination, they're not talking about it publicly. A recent story from New York said the 19-year-old wife of an African United Nations delegate killed herself and her two children because of her loneliness in an unfriendly city. The story quoted other Afri- cans as saying they had been insulted by restaurant staff and taxi drivers, and refused ac- commodation because of their color. An African diplomat who has lived in Ottawa with his wife and three children for three years said in his "honest opin- ion".there is no racial discrim- ination here. "T have never felt this or ex- perienced it or heard about it. I've never had problems in res- taurants or in finding accom- modation." His wife finds herself at home in C ian circles, he said. from the Austrians; the Greek government accepted all Allied demands except for that to release impris- oned Venizelist rebels; Canadians raided German trenches near Arras. Second World War Twenty-five years ago to- day--in 1942--Churchill re- - turned from the U.S. and. Canada; the 5,500-man Axis garrison of Halfaya Pass, Libya, surrendered to the British; the Japanese bombed Singapore and crossed the Muar River in Malaya. YEARS AGO 20 YEARS AGO, January 17, 1947 Silverwoods Dairies Ltd. have announced the purchase of the Port Perry Creamery. For the first time in the his- tory of scouting in Oshawa, a husband and five team Mr. and Mrs. Clyde Saunders were the principal figures in an investi- ture ceremony this week. 35 YEARS AGO, January 17, 1932 The Oshawa branch of the Canadian Legion has announced that Lady George Cholhaondeloey and her company are coming to Oshawa and will present a three-act comedy. ¢ An embassy official at an- other African delegation agreed. He had no trouble rent- ing an apartment in a high-rise block. PLENTY OF PARTIES "T do not think the. manager would refuse to take my dol- lars because I am black," he said with a laugh. There was a kind of shock for Africans coming from a so- ciety in which individuals exist in a large circle of family and friends. "Here you don't expect people to come to see you unless you have made an appointment. I have found that many Cana- dians are very lonely." But he says the diplomatic party circuit enables all to be as sociable--or as reserved--as they wish. The wife of an official of the external affairs department said she has "never heard Af- rican wives complain" about difficulties in getting household help because of their color. She said "nobody can get help" in Ottawa. "Of course, they're used to having several servants over there. There's always someone to watch the children, dress them, take them out. There's just nobody. "But they've never com- plained about a color problem. They don't say, 'The maid won't wash my floor because I'm black'." She said there is a cultural difference which may make it difficult to communicate with Africans, "'but I find this ap- plies to many of the Latin American countries, too." "They're not just like Euro- peans, but they're all human beings, and very well educated and cultured. They're not hang- ing from trees." Staff members at an interna- tional club for 300 students from different countries differed in describing problems encount- ered by African students. A member of the club's di- rectorate said she doesn't think Africans suffer unduly from prejudice. "They're a very jolly bunch, very popular and have a very good time. They're a little more cheerful than the Indians and Pakistanis, or at least they seem so." Ottawa had fewer racial prob- lems than New York "because it's a smaller city--you can't compare them." "Sure they have trouble mak- ing friends. That's why they come here. There's discrimina- tion. They have trouble finding homes. But some are too tact- ful to talk about it." POINTED PARAGRAPHS There seems to be a limit to whcch anything that can be stretched with the exception of the Christmas holiday season. A man doesn't learn anything about women by marrying one of them, but he unlearns a lot of things he thought he knew about them, QUEEN'S PARK Keen Game Of 'Top This' In Politics DON O'HEARN TORONTO -- It seems we probably will see a game being played here this winter. It might be called: Can You Top This? It appears it may be a game of political checkers between the government and the Lib- erals. There have been two rounds already. The first was played over liquor. In his initial press conference Liberal leader Robert Nixon ex- pressed some broad viewpoints on liquor. One was that he felt the present system of local op- tion should be done away with. Mr. Nixon made some marks with this statement, but a few days later the government topped him. It announced Sunday sale. Not a statement of broad viewpoint, but a reality. NO PAYMENT The second involved housing. While he was still only acting House leader, Mr. Nixon an- nounced an advanced policy on housing. The Liberals, he said, would provide a program whereby anyone could buy a home for a down payment of $700. On Wednesday night Premier Robarts went on TV in a Pro- vincial Affairs show. He reported "The provision of good housing at prices you can afford to pay is of vital concern to your government." And he went on to say that people now renting Ontario Housing Corporation houses eventually would be purchasing them. No down payment! It is true, of course, that the government announced this pro- gram for purchase two years ago. And to date nobody has been able to purchase a house. They probably won't be able to until the present shortage of public housing has been ma- terially eased. But still the program is there --and it tops Mr. Nixon's plan. ALLAN MIX-UP An unusual situation hag arisen over the political future of Hon, James Allan. When Mr. Robarts announced Nov. 24 that Mr. Allan was re tiring from the treasury to take over the chairmanship of the Niagara Parks Commission--a position he now has assumed-- he told a newspaper man Mr. Allan would also be retiring from the legislature at the next election, It turns out, however, that Mr. Robarts misunderstood the question. He thought he was being asked whether the former treasurer would remain in the House. As it Is, though Mr. Allan has not made any firm announce- ment, it is expected he will continue, Snow Clearing By Electronics MONCTON, N.B. (CP)--Mod- ern technology is being used in the winter battle to remove snow from railway tracks. Keeping lines clear last win- ter-cost the Canadian National Railways $1,725,000 in the At- lantic provinces and Quebec east of Riviere du Loup. During seasons of heavy snowfall the cost can exceed $2,000,000. Electromatic switchbrooms and automatic. switch heaters have joined the arsenal of snow- clearing equipment. The switch- brooms are used in summer to tamp down ballast around ties and tracks. In winter they are converted to flail away snow from switch points where tracks meet. Two switch heaters are being tested in the Moncton electronic classification yard. These units melt snow as it falls and keep switches clear so trains cun move easily from one track to another. CN has more than 5,000 miles of track in the Atlantic region. Before winter starts, plows are spotted at numerous centres in the area. Bulldozers and snow- blowers, the latter capable of throwing 1,000 tons of snow en hour 125 feet, also are used. Snow spreaders clear yard tracks at several main points. Newfoundland requires 20 plows and some have had their noses altered because, as ore official put it, the snow in that Province is usually "neither snow nor rain--it's more like cement." 725-6553 RENT-A-CAR DAY -- WEEK -- MONTH 58.00 PER DAY 725-6553 RUTHERFORD'S CAR AND TRUCK RENTALS PLUS LOW MILEAGE CHARGE 14 ALBERT ST, Oshawa = 2 gel WHIT! No. Doo WHITBY be no door the Whitby tario Heart apparently ter which c troversy at Against | mayor, ree\ council grar request for vass, but, sz Garnet E. strings atta of the Cour they would joining the peal. Headquart could not United App Juby. He ha cil this. 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