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DIANE BUECHLER Should the Conservative LINDA SHARPE MRS. WILLIAM DOW RR 3, Oshawa: "I think that he has reached the stage where he gets too puffed up over anything, rather than being concerned about the country, But there must still be some good in him because he seems to know how to handle that madhouse at Ot- tawa and no one else seems to." Mes, William Dow, 685 . Perry Cres.: 'I think that he should be released, not dump- ed. He has bee a good leader in his time and he's no dif- ferent than any one else when LLOYD JOHNSTON c WwW. EL it comes to age catching up with them. I think that peo- ple are inclined to get fairly set in their ways in later years." Lieyd Johnston, Greenwood: "'It's hard to say. It seems to take him to handle the boys in Ottawa but I would like to see some younger blood there. I think that the papers have been un- fair with him in their attitude toward his looks. He has been the butt of many satirical jokes, just because of his face and not because of his LioTT BRUCE DAWSON : polities." C.' W Elliott, Brook- lin: 'Yes, I think that he has passed his usefulness as a politician, and 1 don't think that he has the right disposi- tien to be in politics any long- er. I think that our local man is all right; but at the top of the heap, the party could stand Bruce Dawson, Cooksville: some _ reshuffling."" "Yes, I think so. He was good in his time but he's not what the party néeds right now. Too many people voted for the Liberals at the last elec- tion because of him." Viet Cong Gunfire Downs U.S. Air Force Helicopters Viet Cong stronghold along the 60 =miles SAIGON (AP) -- Communist gunners shot down three U.S. Army helicopters in South Viet Nam's Tay Ninh province to- day, a few hours after: B-52 bombers pounded the hideout stronghold of the Viet Cong 9th Division in the province. - A U.S. military spokesman said he had no reports yet of casualties nor any word whether new ground action had erupted in the area where the largest U.S. ground force of the war is pursuing the Viet Cong. Earlier only light action had been reported. The helicopter losses in Tay Ninh and the loss of two others near Da Nang brought the re- ported toll of such.aircraft in South Viet Nam to at least 223. U.S. headquarters reported that two marine helicopters were shot down by the Viet Cong 16 miles southwest of Da Nang, killing three crew mem- bers and wounding two. South Vietnamese headquar- ters claimed 80 Viet Cong killed in a clash between a company of militiamen and a company of Viet Cong 40 miles west of Saigon. Moderate government casualties were reported. Cam northwest of Saigon, An estimated 30,000 U.S. troops are massed in the brush country, rubber plantations and jungles where for nearly two weeks they have been battling and pursuing the 9th Viet Cong Division and a regiment North Vietnamese regulars. This U.S, force in Operation Attleboro has reported killing 949 enemy and seizing large amounts of arms and ammuni- bodian border AIR STRIKES CUT ter Bad weather over North Viet Nam. reduced American air strikes Monday for the fourth consecutive day. Today was the sixth day on which the B-52s pounded: the Failure To Give Report Scored By NDP Leader KINGSTON (CP) -- Donald |, leader of the the On- Metro Union TORONTO (CP)--The United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners Monday placed its dis- sident Resilient Floor Workers Union in Toronto under trustee- ship. The action followed a move Monday by the Toronto union authorities was "incredible." where an investigation has to gation into the administration of justice in Kingston. He told a press conference that failure by Attormey-Gen- eral Arthur Wishart to produce the two-year-old report at the request of Kingston's municipal "If matters reach the point b- held into the administration of justice in a city, there is an obligation on the attorney-gen- eral's department to make the findings public, If is wiles the public has been reas-|' sured. "But if something is wrong The U.S. command reported that two destroyers, the John R. Craig and the Hamner, shelled Communist shore batteries in North Viet Nam Monday after the ships were fired on while patrolling in the Gulf of Tonkin. SILENCE BATTERIES spokesman said the. de- stroyers, aided by air strikes, silenced the shore batteries 25 miles north of Dong Hoi. In the operations around Da Nang where the two marine helicopters. were shot down, a marine platoon was severely mauled when guerrillas infil- trated-a village under cover of pouring rain and showered grenades, small-arms fire and explosives on them. The Viet Cong also blew up a bunker in the American naval advisory detachment compound beside the quarters of the ma- rine commander in Viet Nam, Lt.-Gen. Lewis W. Walt. The guerrillas placed an explosive charge against the bunker, used A 6 store ordnance. No casualties were reported, a spokesman said. Ai Vatican of the public is entitled to know and to have full information on what action is being taken to correct it." Kingston Mayor Robert A. Fray said last week he had been unable to get satisfaction from .the attorney-general's de- partment on complaints about to break connections with the in-|itregularities in the administra- ternational union and join the Quebec-based Confederation of National Trade Unions because of "dictation from the interna- tion of justice in the city. He had asked for publication of a report compiled two years ago by a special investigator. tional head office in Washing- ton." The Toronto union said it would not accept the trustee- ship order. It would be the first from Ontario to join the con- federation. | Michael § canon, business) manager of the defecting union, said the members resented a $1-a-month work card they must have to finance the Toronto dis- trict council, and recently re- jected a proposal from the coun- cil for an increase in dues. BR_OLD oe Rn pairie. . Bradford Blaze Razes Warehouse BRADFORD, Ont. (CP)--Fire Monday destroyed a vegetable packing warehouse owned by United Farms Ltd., which con- tained thousands of pounds of onions and carrots. Firemen from five communi- ties, hampered by high winds, prevented the flames from spreading to other buildings. There were no injuries. Bradford is 20 miles south of sre South Africa Plans Campaign DURBAN (Reuters) -- The! | South African government plans | |to start a large-scale campaign jto inform other governments and international organizations about what has been and is be- ing done for the non-white pop- ulation of South-West Africa, Prime Minister John -Vorster, said Monday. He also reiterated his govern: ment's intention to resist by force, if necessary, any attempt to take over the territory fol- lowing the recent vote by the United Nations General Assem- bly to revoke South Africa's mandate over it. Vorster, who said last month that his government would re- consider South Africa's position in the United Nations, once more strongly criticized the world body in a speech to the Durban Parliamentary Debat- ing Society. TEHRAN (Reuters) -- A aational census has discov- ered a 150 - year - old man with two living centenarian children and 200 grand-chil- dren in Khorramabad, West Iran, press reports said sere today. They named the man as Shahvali Moussivand. Wis eldest daughter was said to a years old and a son He was quoted as saying he planned to marry a young girl "if my present wife allows me." He has been married | twice already but under Moslem law is allowed four | wives at any one time. DIXON'S OIL 313 ALBERT ST. 24-HOUR SERVICE 723-4663 SERVING OSHAWA OVER 50 YEARS HEAT WITH OIL | } | Want Competent 4 Service Call 725-3581 We have our own staff of exper- lenced, technicians on fully qualified heating eall 24 hours every day . . . Radio dispatched for quick service is guaranteed. Auatts 43 KING STREET . All their work tne. WEST, OSHAWA 725-3581 VATICAN CITY ~(AP)--Can- ada's external affairs minister, Paul Martin, met today with Pope Paul to discuss Viet Nam peace prospects and a new ceasefire to halt the fighting during Christmas. Martin came to the. Vatican after closing out, the official phase of this three-nation Euro- pean tour in a final conference with Foreign Minister Amintore Fanfani of Italy. / Informants said Martin gave the Pope a full report on the Viet Nam soundings he had with government officials in Poland and the Soviet Union. Poland, like Canada, is a member of the International Control Commis- sion for Viet Nam. Mrs. Martin and Canadian undersecretary of state, Marcel Cadieux, went to the papal apartment with Martin. After Martin and the Pope had talked privately for half an hour, Mrs. we By MICHAEL GILLAN * OTTAWA (CP)--The Conserv- atives, preoccupied by their an- nual meeting a few hundred ards away, left behind a tiny id of members Monday night to continue the battle with the government over an interim money 'supply bill. For 10 sitting days the Con- servatives--aided at first by the New Democratic Party--have been trying to force Defence Minister Hellyer to send his armed 'forces unification bill to the defence committee before it receives second reading, ap- proval in principle. Mr. Hellyer and the govern- ment have repeatedly refused, arguing that the normal proce- dure is to vote on second read- ing--approval in principle--be- fore sending a bill to commit- The Conservatives have been using a motion to provide in- terim spending authority to the government as the forum for pressuring the government on the issue. Last week it appeared the government might be unable to. meet its payroll costs and might even have to call a general election, But Prime Minister Pearson announced Thursday that the government had discov- ered some money, already ap- proved by Parliament, that it could use to meet its bills. OPED FOR END The government hoped this would de » fuse the Conserva- tives and bring a quick end to the debate. There was no indi- cation during the Commons de- bate Monday that their hopes 'ould be realized. While continuing to hammer Mr. Hellyer over unification, the Conservatives opened an attack on Revenue Minister Benson, questioning the legality of the computer's discovery of money last week. Opposition Leader Diefen- baker, before heading for the Chateau Laurier to defend his leadership against attacks from some party members, the government "shenanigans." termed manoeuvre Gordon Churchill (PC--Winni- peg South Centre) said it was a "gross infringement" of Parlia- Interim Supply Debate Goes On WithFewPC's ment's rights to scrutinize spending. F ; They and-other Conservatives peppered the government about the issues during the daily ques- tion period, LAWYERS 0.K. IT Mr. Benson said that before the government announced it had discovered sufficient funds to meet payroll and other ex- penses, it received a favorable opinion from the justice depart- ment's lawyers. He also said that the relevant documents were turned over to the auditor - general's' office which scrutinizes the propriety | tunity and legality of. government spending. A The Conservative anger about the. manoeuvre centred on the fact that theoretically a govern- ment can be starved out of of- fice and inio a generai ejection THE OSHAWA TIMES, Tussdey, November 15, 1966 3 may have to sit beyond the;of Parliament will r hours so that members|chance to speak." "4, aa Eldon Woolliams (PC--Bow River) said that if a precedent has been set, then "you had better lock the doors of the House of Commons, Parliament is all through." The opposition also criticized |, a motion put on the order paper by Liberal House Leader Mcll- raith last week for continius Commons sittings to pass the supply bill. Several said the government was using the mo- tion as a club to force the op- position to give in, Mr, Pearson, answering one critic Monday, said the motion was not a club but an oppor- He noted that only 30 days are allowed for debate on all forms of supply and that only six or -- of these 30 days were eft. 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