Oshawa Times (1958-), 17 Jan 1963, p. 2

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2 THE OSHAWA TIMES, Thursday, January 17, 1963 GOOD EVENING By JACK GEARIN TRUSTEE STROUD DID NOT MINCE HIS WORDS When Robert Stroud stood up to deliver his swan song to the Board of Education last Thursday, the result was un- expected. Mr. Stroud is not a sensationalist, He is not a publicity- seeker who tosses words around lightly. He's a hard-headed business man who deals in fact rather than fancy, or senti- mental double-talk; but he is slow to criticize publicly. ; It came as a surprise, therefore, that his farewell speech was a blunt, down- to-earth, hard-hitting talk in which he made one point perfectly clear -- he was not too happy with some of the Board's business proce- dures, All things considered, It was just about the strongest public statement made by any local Board trustee in the past 24 months, if we exclude Trustee Margaret Shaw (who frequently chides the Board without fear or favor) or Trustee Leo Glover (who had one fling at this sort of thing last year in a speech before the Oshawa > of C), SOSRET sTROUD It was of added impor- tance because of the fact that Mr. Stroud, in his two-year tenure as a trustee, spent one year as Board chairman, a rare vintage point for a man who wants to see what makes Edu- cation tick in the City of Oshawa. Because of these reasons, his words of caution should be heeded; as a matter of fact it wouldn't be a bad idea to attach his speech as an appendix to the Woods, Gordon Re- port, another blueprint for municipal economy deserving of the attention of all. Of special interest were his comments on the Board's buying policies, (of which he was super-critical), and the question of Confict of Interest, as follows: "T have heard a lot said about the buying--how we purchase our supplies, furniture, or whatever it might be, for our schools and our offices. I have been brought up as a buyer and I have had a bit of a look at what is going on. Not everything pleases me. I believe that it would be money in the pocket, or saved money for the citizens of Oshawa if some other buy- ing systems were adopted. It has been suggested thet we have a buyer for everything in the City. With- out further study, I am not going to recommend that. But I know that money can be saved in the buying. Not everybody is going to accept this statement. Asa buyer, I ran into so many things during the year that I am most anxious that the new Board take a good look at the buying system. I have had many ques- tions asked of me about the buying. I have had many questions asked of me about Board members' partici- pation and, like the retiring chairman of the Secondary School Board, I am going to read Article 50 of the Schools Administration Act, Section 1: SHALL NOT ENTER INTO CONTRACTS ""*A school trustee shall not enter into any con- tract, agreement, engagement or promise of any kind, either in his own name or.in the name of another, and either alone or jointly with another, in which he has any pecuniary interest, profit or promised or expect benefit, with the Board of which he is a mem- ber, or have any pecuniary claim upon or receive compensation from the board for any work, engage- ment, employment or duty on behalf of the board, and every such contract, agreement, engagement or promise is void, and a trustee violating the provisions of this subsection 'ipso facto' vacates his seat.'" Asked this week why he included this Conflict of Interest section from the Schools Administration Act in his farewell speech, Mr. Stroud replied with a "'no comment". He did elaborate on his "'buying policy" statement by saying that he discovered (when he took over as chairman) that the Board was '"'buying some items without tenders being called" -- he immediately started to call for tenders on these items and saved as much as five and 10 percent on all of them. Mr. Stroud must have his own good reasons for reading the above 'Conflict of Interest'? passage at such an auspi- cious occasions with the Press and public present. Mr. Stroud has rendered a worthwhile public service in his "State of the Union" message by getting right down to brass tacks on such things as the rising cost of education in Oshawa. He rightfully says that the figures in the Board's budget are "'staggering" and cites these statistics (which include debenture repayments): For Collegiate purposes For Vocational training For Public School purposes -- $1,338,711 $366,240 -- $2,910,474 For a gross expenditure of $4,615,425 From the above amount can be taken the Provincial grants and other revenues totalling $1,385,484, so that the Oshawa taxpayer still has $3,229,941 to pay. EDUCATION TOOK 40.8 PC OF TAX DOLLAR IN '62 One of the most important parts of his message had to do with rising cost of Oshawa's education, not only in dollars, but in percentage of the tax dollar, In 1961 Oshawa's education cost was 39.6 percent of the tax dollar. In 1962 the percentage was 40.8 percent, an in- crease of 1.2 percent, : The Education debenture debt as of December 31, 1962, was $6,884,400. He was hopeful that the Board would have a "very smal! surplus" this year, He had these recommen- dations for the incoming Board: Have a good, close look at the budget. Do your utmost to keep the cost of Education from getting out of hand. Some of the facilities may have to be cut down ("It is most unfortunate because I, as a parent, do believe that we must provide the best education possible, but I do not believe in letting the figures get out of hand."') In fairness to the Board, Mr.'Stroud pointed out that there were far too many meetings in a year (from January ~ 2 to June 2 last year, he attended 122 Board and committee meetings -- he didn't keep track of them after that); as a result, he strongly recommended that the Board should lay down policy more often and let the hired-help administer this policy to the best of their ability. Mr: Stroud's frank words will not. go down too well with some of his colleagues; but others will welcome them, as will those citizens who are anxious to get the Board operative once again on a sound economic basis. By KEN KELLY OTTAWA (CP) -- The great nuclear debate shifted to the Conservative camp today as the Progressive Conservative Asso- ciation of Canada opened an an- nua! meeting which will consider a proposal for conditional ac- ceptance of defensive nuclear weapons for Canadian forces. The nuclear proposal, to be debated formally Friday and Saturday, came in a lengthy re- port of the resolutions commit- tee. It calls for arming the forces with defensive atomic warheads at home and abroad if by next December efforts to reach a nuclear disarmament agreement prove fruitless. While this proposal tended to dominate informal discussion of the committee's report among assembling delegates, there also were many other suggestions to the federal government aimed especially at stimulating the economy through tax cuts and investment and promotion in- centives and through additional direct action in the housing ifield. By DON HANRIGHT OTTAWA (CP) --It_ takes about six months after the on- set of tight-money conditions in Canada before business starts to cut down its spending. This bold estimate was pro- duced for the royal commission on banking and finance Wednes- day by C. B. Neapole, general manager of the Royal Bank of Canada. It was the first time in 65 days of public hearings--and in close to 2,000,000 words of evi- dence -- that the commission was able to get an estimate of how quickly the country re- sponds to monetary policy of the Bank of Canada--the cen- tral bank. Put on the spot Wednesday by the commission, Mr. Neapole said he based his guess on his banking experience in the 1956, 1959 and 1962 credit squeees. TOO MANY BANKS The question of whether Can- ada is "over-banked"' came up, relating to the continued in- crease in branches being set up by the eight chartered banks. In 1950 the banks had 3,679 branches, At the end of last Oc- tober the number had risen to 5,312, Commissioner Dr. W. A. Mackintosh, vice-chancellor of Queen's University, said he was not doubting that competition jamong banks has forced the pace. But had it forced the pace "too fast, too far?" He didn't get much encour- agement. Effects Delayed On Tight-Money | | Many of the 3,000-odd dele- gates, alternates, and visitors began registering here Wednes- day night for the three days of meetings of the national asso- ciation and auxiliary women's, students and young people's groups. The women met today. Prime Minister Diefenbaker, object of a resolution affirming "un- bound" confidence in his leader- ship, was to make the first of four scheduled appearances. The operative part of the nu- clear resolution reads as fol- lows: "This meeting recommends to the government of Canda that such steps as are necessary be taken, and that such nego- tiations with the United States as are required be concluded that recognize fully and com- pletely Canada's soveignty so as to make readily available for the Canadian installations and equipment that form part of the NATO and NORAD forces such nuclear warheads as are re- quired for the defence installa- tions, provided that the use of |NORAD armaments be under jof the Toronto-Dominion Bank, |said the branches are the main strength of the Canadian bank- ing system and that, histor- ically, the banks have sought out the need for banking serv- ices rather than waiting for the need to seek the banks. DENY ANY COLLUSION The chartered banks denied any collusion in setting interesi rates on loans and deposits. Under questioning, the bank- ers said it invariably is a case of one of the eight banks mak- ing a move--up or down--and the other banks falling into line, producing uniform rates across Canada. However, they said such moves are often discussed among the bankers beforehand. Is there no arrangement -lim- iting the freedom of any bank to act by itself asked the com- mission chairman, Chief Justice Dana Porter of Ontario. "None. whatsoever," said C. B. Neapole, general manager of the Royal Bank of Canada. RESIST IDEA The chartered banks resisted suggestions that they could be- come huge '"'department store' operations--forcing their near- bank competitors out of busi- ness--if they get the powers and freedom they seek. 1 Lorenzo Hebert, assistant gen- eral manager of the Provincial Bank of Canada, said what the banks are trymg to get is the |ability to 'take care" of cus- tomers who now want banking services that the banks cannot S. T. Paton, general manager|provide under the ceiling. WEATHER FORECAST Forecasts issued by the Tor- onto weather office at 4:30 a.m. Synopsis: Although still well | below seasonal normal, temper- atures in southern Ontario this morning are generally 10 to 15 degrees milder than Wednes- day. This trend to milder weather is expected to continue through Friday. Snowflurries |near Lake Huron and Georgian |Bay and over parts of the Ni- agara Peninsula are expected to diminish by this afternoon. Lake St. Clair, Lake Erie, }southern Lake Huron, western |Lake Ontario regions, Windsor, |London: Sunny with some} |cloudy periods and not quite so |cold today. Friday mostly} |cloudy and milder, with chance] Cloudy, Milder Weather Seen today and Friday. Winds west- erly 20, decreasing to light this evening. Haliburton region: Mostly clear and not quite so cold to. day. Friday mainly cloudy and milder, with a period of light snow late in the day. Winds southwesterly 10 to 20 today, light Friday. Northern Georgian Bay, Timagami, North Bay, Sud- | bury: Mostly sunny and cold to- day. Increasing cloud tonight. Cloudy with some light snow and not quite so cold Friday. Winds light. Algoma, White River, Coch- rane regions: Mostly sunny and cold today. Friday mainly cloudy with light snow, ~ } ment - aaah aah ain cea aetna didn. ie Nuclear Debate Shifts To Conservative Camp the joint control of Canada and tne United States, in the event that a system of nuclear dis armament with proper inspec- tion controls is not adopted by| 1963." MEAN ACCEPTANCE E. A. Goodman of Toronto, chairman of the resolutions committee, told a press confer- ence the words 'readily avail- 'able' mean acceptance. And, if the resolution were approved by the convention, the government was in no way committed to carry out the suggested policy. He also stressed that the sug- gestion was approved by the committee Dec. 15, long before Liberal Leader Pearson's Tor- onto speech last Saturday in which he advanced a new state- ment of Liberal policy on the nuclear question. Mr, Pearson called on the government to accept nuclear warheads for defensive tactical weapons to fulfil commitments Canada has made which, he said, cannot be fulfilled without them. He said a Liberal govern- | would discharge these commitments pending discus-| sions with the U.S. and NATO aimed at a more realistic role for Canada in continental and collective defence, in the Commons, the New Dem- ocrats have remained opposed to acceptance of nuclear weap- ons and Social Credit Leader Robert Thompson has said his party supports them for Can- Canadian soil. URGE TAX CUT In going heavy on economy- stimulating proposals, the com- mittee urged a general personal and corporation income tax cut of five per cent on existing tax rates. In the field of trade promo- tion, one of its proposals was for a 150-per-cent deduction from taxable income for money spent on trade fairs, foreign market research and foreign market exploitation by Cana- dian-controlled companies. the major powers by December,| Of the other political parties | ada's NATO forces but not on} Leslie Morris, center, gener- al secretary of the Canadian Communist Party, is shown on stand of Brandenburg Gate in East Berlin looking into West Berlin Monday. With him are a Communist East German po- CANADIAN RED the presidency of the Progres- ada seems to be a scramble away from the job. Latest soundings among del- egates arriving early for the party's annual meeting opening today are favoring former Tor- onto Parkdale MP Arthur Ma- loney, but there are doubts that the 44-year-old lawyer will be able to mesh his heavy court- room practice with the lengthy speaking tours required of party presidents. Some delegates were speak- ing of drafting Senator G. S. Thorvaldons of Wirnipeg for janother term. He announced last fall he would retire after serving the two years to which party presidents are usually elected, A petition was being circu- lated in favor of conscripting former Ontario premier Leslie Frost for the job. One of the Young Offender Said Major Crime Problem OTTAWA (CP)--Young law offenders and repeaters are posing major problems in crim- lice officer and an unidenti- fied woman. Morris is in East Berlin attending the East Ger- | man Communist Party Con- | gress. --(AP Wirephoto) 12 Drugs BALTIMORE (AP) -- Dr. Frances O. Kelsey says the U.S.} Food and Drug Administration is studying about a dozen drugs as possible causes of birth de- formities. The Canadian-born doctor cited by President Kennedy for keeping the drug thalidomide off the U.S. market, is chief of the FDA's new iavestigative drug branch, Addressing a symposium on birth defects, Dr. Kelsey said the dozen drugs--all sold in the} INTERPRETING THE NEWS By HAROLD MORRISON Canadian Press Staff Writer A Soviet - American nuclear test-ban treaty is shaping up in the midst of leadership quar- rels within the Communist and Western camps. While Premier Khrushchev harangues against Communist China's war aims and President Kennedy grapples with the in- transigence of French Presi- dent de Gaulle, Soviet-Ameri- can negotiators are busy in New York preparing a document that may halt the spread of nuclear pollution around the world, U.S. authorities report that the negotiators are steadily nar- rowing their differences. After years of haggling and failure. these authorities' say they now are almost certain that a firm agreement will emerge, to be placed before the 17-country dis- armament conference when it reopens at Geneva. They anticipate the agree- ment will cover a ban on both atmospheric and underground nuclear tests and even Russian acceptance of token on-site in- spection of Soviet territory to verify suspicious explosions. |GREATER HOPE They acknowledge that any- thing can happen; that the Rus- sians could introduce home | Papers Protest Being Excluded | Test-Ban Treaty Said Shaping Up stumbling block at the last mo- ment; and that East-West nu- clear tests may have to be re- sumed, Yet this time the Ameri- gan side expresses more hope and conviction than ever be- fore that an agreement will emerge. Such a pact would have to be approved by the general dis- armament conference and this in turn could lead to stronger world pressure against the mavericks while enhancing the stature of the present world leaders. While many scientists main- tain the existing amount of nu- clear debris in the atmosphere is no danger to humanity, others disagree, Reports from world | Capitals indicate large segments of population are gravely de- pressed by the explosions and would be relieved and grateful if the tests could be halted, once and for all. Khrushchev has likely heightened this fear by pub- licly estimating and emphasiz- ing the savage destruction of humanity that would result from nuclear war. He says nu- clear war would be tragic and impossible. He renounces nu- clear war--possibly as a prel- ude to acceptance of a test ban treaty. What of China and France? De Gaulle insists on building an independent nuclear force for France and has refused to participate in the disarmament conference. He has indicated re- jection of Kennedy's leadership in the Western camp and hints Possible Danger inal correction work, Chairman: George Street of the national parole board says and urges stiffer sentences and more pro- bation periods to meet the situ- ation. He told a press confercnce Wednesday that more than half of the persons who commit criminal offences today are be- tween the ages of 16 and 24. Yet this age graup makes up less than 20 per cent of the country's population. He suggested that more pro- bation terms for young offend- ers might help turn them away from crime. Criminal repeaters were in- creasing, underlining the need for longer prison sentences to deter them and give additional time for reform measures. Winnipeg (CP)--D. W. F. Coughlan, director of probation services for Ontario, called Wednesday for a national pro- bation act similar to the re- cently-enacted national parole services across the country. He said the suggested legisla- tion would not entail complete federal control of penal serv- ices, but would encourage prov- inces to establish probation services and pay 51 per cent of costs if they met certain stand- ards, At present, Quebec, Prince Edward Island and Newfound- Studied, United States -- include anti- 'histamines, tranquilizers and common cold remedies, as well as drugs used as cathartics, for hypnosis ,as anti-diabetics and for treatment of morning sick- ness in pregnant women. Published. medical reports have named the drugs as pos- sible causes of birth defects if taken by pregnant women, Dr. Kelsey said, but the FDA can not act until it has definite evi- dence. The first drugs to arouse sus- picion after the thalidomide tragedy were those with a chemical relationship to thalid- omide -- particularly gilutetha- mide and chiorthalidone, said Dr. Kelsey, a native of Cobble Hill, B.C. NAMES OTHERS She said there have been re- ports of birth deformities in both animals and humans after use of two other classes of dfugs -- tolbutamide, an oral anti-diabetic drug, and the sul- onamides, The drug podophyllin, usually used as a cathartic, recently was cited in Britain. The British Medical Journal reported that bation at all, he said in an inter- view, and only Ontario has anything approaching a satis- factory system. sive Conservative party of Can- land have no provision for pro- Naming PC Chief Difficult Chore OTTAWA (CP)--The race for promoters was Thomas Bell, MP for St. John-Albert. Senator Thorvaldson, 62, a former national president of the Canadian Chamber of Com- merce and a close friend for many years of Prime Minister Diefenbaker, has been credited by party workers as having been a working president. He travelled widely, bucking up lo- cal party groups, and keeping in touch with government pol- icy and public reaction to it. When he announced the call- ing of the annual meeting for this month and his int'ntion to retire, there were widespread suggestions that the presidency should go to a French-speaking Quebec executive of the party. Mentioned were Charles Pare, Montreal district organ- izer, and Jacques Flynn, 47, former mines minister. Mr. Pare, however, let it be known that busnegs interests in Mex- ico prevented his acceptance. Mr. Flynn became a senator and took on senior organization chores in his home province. Quebec hasn't had a presi- dent since its first and only one, mow Transport Minister Balcer, was elected in 1956. Then Ontario Conservatives staked a claim for the return of the presidency to their prov- ince. They hadn't had it since 1954, when George Hees, now 52 and trade minister, spent two years in a whirlwind of organ- izaticn which paid off in 'the Conservative victory of 1957. First suggested was John B. Hamilton, 44, MP for York West from 1954 until his defeat last summer. He announced Monday, however, he would not accept because of family and business reasons, PROMOTE THRASHER Also suggested in some quar- ters is Richard D. Thrasher, MP for Essex South from 1957 until last summer when he was defeated and was later ap- pointed to Prime Minister Dief-. enbaker's staff. Mr. Thrasher makes no comment on his po- litical plans, But the 40-year-old. Windsor lawyer's name has been cou- pled with that of Toronto Law- yer Maloney. Both are Roman Catholics and there is a strong element in the party which be- lieves the party needs strength- ening in that way in Ontario. Lack of an Ontario Roman Catholic in the cabinet has led to some discussion in the par- ty's' inner circle. George Hogan, young Toronto automobile agency executive who was Mr. Diefenbaker's spe- cial executive assistant in the 1958 and 1962 elections, has also been mentioned. Mr. Hogan, who recently up- set Conservative party plat- forms on trade with Cuba and recognition of Communist China is likely to. be a provincial can- didate in the next Ontario elec- tion, however. a mother who took a reducing} pill containing the drug gave birth to a deformed baby. COMING EVENTS Various remedies against morning sickness, said Dr. Kel- sey, appear frequently in the lists of drugs taken by mothers who have given birth to de- formed infants. Foremost among these, she said, are preparations of anti- histamines with or without addi- tional drugs, such as pyridox- ine. Both Britain and Swedea recently reported birth defects after use of preparations con- taining pyridoxine and the anti- histamine meclizine. Dr. Kelsey said another class of drugs used to treat nausea and vomiting in pregaancy--the phenothiazine tranquillizers -- also has been associated with several cases of deformity. She said some nasal decongestants commonly used for relief of the common cold also might be con- sidered possible causes of birth defects. Two other drugs she named are tetracycline, an antibiotic, and pheametrazine, a reducing pill. G.M. Plant Protection ANNUAL DANCE St, Gregory's Auditorium FRI., JAN. 18 8:30 to 1 P.M. Charles Cochrane's Orchestra __ $3 per couple Tickets at door _ BINGO HARMAN _ PARK ASSOCIATION ST. JOHN'S HALL Corner Bloor and Simcoe FRIDAY, JAN. 18TH 7:45 P.M. 20 Games $8 and $10 5 -- $40 jackpots In Canada, federal and pro- vincial health authorities have been conducting a survey into birth deformities for several months as part of their investi- EUCHRE, Scout Hall Gibbon at Buena Vista, Friday, 8 p.m. Six prizes, re- freshments. Admission 50 cents, SELL the good household items you're not using, Start the inexpensive Classi- fied ad that puts you in touch with buyers fast. Dial 723-3492 today. NOVEL BINGO THURSDAY EVENINGS 7:45 at ST. GEORGE'S HALL (Albert and Jackson Sts.) Game $6, $12, $20 May be doubled or tripled $180 IN JACKPOTS Door Prize $15 OSHAWA JAYCEES BINGO TO-NIGHT 8 P.M. . 20 games at $20, 5 games oat $30. 1 -- $150 Jackpot 2 -- $250 Jackpots. NUMBERS 53-58 Share The Wealth RED BARN of light snow or a few snow-) flurries. Winds southwest 15 to- ss day, light tonight and Friday Forecast Temperstures Toronto, Hamilton: Sunny, Low tonight, high Friday with some cloudy periods and) Windsor 12 not quite so cold today. Friday|St. Thomas 12 mostly cloudy and milder, with|London ... 10 |chance of light snow or snow-/|Kitchener 10 iflurries late Friday. Winds|Wingham ... 8 | southwest 15 today, light tonight| Hamilton 10 jand Friday. |St. Catharines..... 10 | Niagara, eastern Lake On-| Toronto 12 \tario regions: Variable cloudi-| Peterborough ...... 8 /ness and one or two snowflur-|Trenton .......+6. 12 |ries this morning. Otherwise|Killaloe ........6. 5 |mostly clear and not quite so|Muskoka .. 5 lcold today. Friday mostly|North Bay 5 jcloudy and milder, with chance| Sudbury .. 5 of light snow. or snowflurries|Earlton .. "15 late in the day. Winds southwest| Kapuskasing ..... -20 15 today, light tonight and Fri-| White River....... -15 day. | Moosonee 25 Northern Lake Huron, south-|Timmins .. 15 ern Georgian Bay regions:|Mount Forest..... | 8 Mostly cloudy today with snow-| Sault Ste. Marie... 0 flurries, gradually diminishing| <or . BERLIN (Reuters) -- Four|at building a third world force gation into the affects of thal- news agencies--The Associated} Press, United Press Interna-| | tional, Agence France - Presse} and Deutsche Press Agentur of \West Germany -- have jointly \protested to the East German Communist party congress against their correspondents be- ing excluded from Wednesday's afternoon sessions. The protest was made in a joint telegram from the four agencies. Reuters correspondent Jack Altman was admitted as the only Western correspondent for the afternoon session. 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