e yots ® Gusta eP s o a ilaliiey s 5 losi +i g ies it e o ® l * * x / ae ~® pHs, f f P 3 ' y * meal f ~---- s . y l £+:3 This was the first attempt that had been ie were going to be got for the interest on iFi e.,. . &1 & made to interfere with the province of the that money. _ He would be willing to give d . o national University, and he thought that _ a money consideration to get these de-- C y J [ s the Government should not support it. nominational gcolleges to surrender their ¥ / 1 Were he the leader of the Government this powers. 'The hon. member for London k \ /d b day he would declare that he was hostile to said that 700,000 people wore wanting this y ' this first assault upon our national educa-- I University, but he (the speaker) failed to see * -- ; tion. He would declare such a Bill | any evidence of this He was sorry to go | . t F to be against the good of the | | against the Minister of Education on this E | people, and were -- his supporters | matter, but he as well as that Minister' was ho | t? go against him he would resign. l all for a higher education. Most likely ' | The usefulness of our national University Knox College would apply for powers next | j | would by these means be impaired, and it year if this were granted,. 'The next thing | ,. | might as well be swept away. lts endow-- coming up would be the question of t | ment would have to be divided among de. endowing these denominational colieges. P " w | nominational colleges. As an adherent of Mr. PATTERSON (Essex) said that while | L j | tl!e Church of England he thought that this in favour of a national university, he was | f | L'.l" was as good as it could be. HMe did not against any invidious distinction being | ghsrcgm'd the provision made for the carry-- made by refusing this body the powers ap-- ' [ ing on the University,. The hon. member plied for when there were six other bodics ; for South Simcoe did not attach much im-- enjoying this privilege. The better time > portance to the power of conierring degrees when all degree conferring power would be t | 'I'ue, the Bill itself was evidence enough of concentrated in one body was a long time | the importance attached to this power by the coming, a nd ho was prepared to support t ', | applicants for the powers, The concentra-- the Bill as there was no sign of any such p tion of degrec--conferring _ power _ in consummation being arrived at.$yThe money M | Toronto would produce & wholesome capital and number of professors mention-- C rivalry ainong denominational colleges for ed were not finite, and both might be in-- ' | these degrees, He did not attach much im« creased. He approved ot the liberal terms | E) portance to the $100,000 capital,. Smaller of the Bill, so would support the Rill. I J dcnommutiu'ns.'might not have the requisite Mr. MOWA'T confessed that he had con. ! is wealth to give such a guarantee as this, but sigerable difficulty in arriving at a conclu-- ' was that any reason why they should be | sion on this question. _ 'The Government y denied the power of conferring degrees ? | had been taunted by the Opposition with i\ This Bill, if such powers were to be granted, | having no policy in regard to it ; but they f was as good as could be desired, but with i $ | should remember that the Opposition had j e [ the safeguards so called was just as insidi« | no policy in regard to it either, (Hear, 4 ' 4 4 ous as without them in destroying our hear,) Four of their leaders had spoken on * | national »ducation. the subject, two being in favour of, and two f " | Mr. WIDDIFIELD would be prepared to against, the Bill, The question was un-- B | support any Minister who would mature a doubtedly one of great difficulty, and he J scheme to secure the surrender of the did not wonder that all parties were C powers held by the denominational colleges, divided on it. _ On the present occasion ; but he could not, under the existing circum» it so bappened that ho would vote along $ -- stances, oppose the present Bill. with the hon. member for South Simcoe, M | Mr. DAWSON could not help thinking but for reasons entirely different from those b + | that the University of Toronto was some-- of that gentleman. -- The hon,. member was ®Q thing of a monopoly. He did not see that very hostile to the idea of a great national ~a the value of Toronto degrees would be de-- university, but, so far from having any s : pretiated by the granting of the power to such feeling, his colleagues and him-- : Lonxdon. He resented the sneer of an hon. self were strongly attached to . that l meinber on the Scotch Universities, He| institution, _ They regarded the University p \ | would support the Bill. | of Toronto as the pride of the educational w | Mr. GRAHAM approved the conduct of Sysan o ds oi M e mdns qo 3 / the Government in leaving this question country had donvml'gnat advantages, and e . W l t hiun thig B his mume every year added to its value to the people ' ; | open, and would give this Bill his most '< Province. -- 'Tho Minister of Educ A | hearty support. uAf this Provinc 1..'. ie Minis rf) e ucr-- X | tion was a graduate of that University, ] | Mr. HARKIN was surprised that the and no measure which could have 3 | Government had no policy upon this ques-- the -- effect of lessening -- its influence s tion, and were satisfied to drift with the tide. for good would . be _ supported . by L He regarded this Bill as the thin edge of a him. They would all like to have only fs wedge that was _ calculated to destroy one degree--granting body; but no one sug-- & | our national University, He complained gested that there should be only one teach. _ . | of the evil of denominational degrees, and ing body--that there should be no local i said that no man having the interests of colleges, _ They were all convinced that | p | education at heart would sanction the these wore desirable, Looking at the pre-- < | further spread of the evil. He had waited sent Bill, they could not exclude from their f | for a declaration of policy from the hon. minds the fact that there were now several $ | the Minister of Education on this point, local colleges in the country, _ If the a II whether or not they were inclined to do | Government were prepared to say that they | } | away with the degree conferring power held ! had some practical scheme by which the | f | by these sectarian colleges. _ He supported university powers of all these colteges should | | the 1dea of having an examining board. be taken away, the matter would occupy an 1 | Those who had more interest in promoting entirely different position from what it did | h national education than in accommodating now. -- But when they had no such scheme e ' | ' | hon. gentlemen dosiring this power, would to which they could hope to receive the i | vote against the Bill. If they went on in-- ! Sanction of the House, the question arose, ' ' f s ! ereasing -- denominational -- colleges, the | could they in justice, alter having grauted | | House would soon be controlled by them, university powers | to -- several l.-!l,-._f,\s' ' § and the result for education would be that ' in the east, refuse these same powers | | instead of baving a degreo respected at to this university in the woest? -- home and abroad, they would have degrees ! In view of these facts, he had not counsider-- . respected nowhers,. 'Therefore ho supported | ed it right to oppose the present Bill. _ He the amendment. | could not accept the statement that this in. Mr. LAUDER said that since the granting | stitution would injure University College . s d of powers to Albert College there had been | It would be of considerable educational | 4 no movement to disendow University Col. | valus to the western part of the Province-- ; lege ; indeed, since then the feeling against | (hear, | l.v::":.'y----.sxvl no appreciable harm, | : the latter college had almost died away, If | he beltieved, would result to University Col. | $' a University degreo were so valuable people | lego from it. If any such schemes as he i would go to the University for it, and it a had hinted became matured,they would find, | o degree trom another college served equally he thought, that this inslitution would | well, those desiring it would go for it. i agreo to it, (Cheers.) % IEG€ +A Mr. GTBSON said that when the Univer-- | _ o i '"l"' repemnanmenep reee meararrer e m is | | sity College had been established the idea | {continygo on TuE FOpaTit vags,1 f of the country at any rate was, that they had l k ¥ done with denominational colleges. Be-- d § cause others had this evil power, it was no | f | reason why they should help to perpetuate | | it, MHe did not see how a college was * | going to be maintained on $100,000.4 It | ' | should have been four times that \ f +4 amount. He did not see how men of learn-- | * } . * + f. ® w 4 o ppnnmmmnnmmnnmnnnmemenmmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnn n