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the tribune thursday july 18 1968 page 3 procedural reform is urged by aapp william newman too much time is wasted ontario south the following is a copy of the budget address de livered by mpp william newman of ontario south riding before the provin cial legislature july 12 in it mr newman urges the adoption of procedural reform to improve the ef- flciency of parliament it reads as follows mr speaker i would like to quote a few paragraphs from an editorial which ap peared in the financial post issue of july 6th 1968 the editorial deals with the need for parlia mentary reform in the federal parliament and i would like to quote the first paragraph which reads as follows prime minister pierre trudeau has good reason to put priority on the re form of house of com mons rules in his haste to dissolve parliament last april he effectively scrubbed every improve ment in the rules made during the past four years the floor is now hideously open to gabble wrangle and yap the editorial indicates that the improvement which have now been scraped vastly speeded up the process of legislation it suggests that canada should promptly adopt some of the british parlia mentary rules either out right or in changed form under these rults the bri tish parliament is able to set up its business well in advance the work load on the full house is decreased by delegating much of it to committees and mps and ministers are freed from attending debates in the house when they are not needed the editorial concludes with this paragraph and i quote new measures to con trol the committee of the whole which at pre sent can carry on talk- fests ad infinitum are perhaps the most urgent matter if as trudeau implies future sittings arc going to be limited to a number of months in the year parliament cannot afford to let any mp speak as long or as often as he likes- as a newcomer to this house i have been most surprised and disillusioned by the seemingly endless and pointless debates which have taken place in this chamber i realize that this is the first session of a new parliament and that there are over 40 new members anxious to get their views on the record and their names in the papers in addition our de bates may have tended to be more artisan than nor mal because of the federal liberal convention and more recently the federal general eelction cam paign and furtliermore the government- has pre sented a very heavy pro gramme of legislation some of which is still be fore us in spite of these special circumstances i think most members would agree that we could have moved along much more quickly with out in any way shirking or neglecting our responsi bilities in the words of the editorial there has been too much gabble wrangle and yap i am no authority on par liamentary procedure and because of this i hesitate to raise this subject yet i feel very strongly that one of our most urgent and important tasks is pro cedural reform this re form should be designed to improve the efficiency of the legislature and at the same time to reduce the length of our sessions i believe this can be done without prejudice to the increasingly important role which this legislature is called upon to perform as a first requirement i must mention briefly the need for improved re search and secretarial fa cilities for the private members of all parties i commend the government for the progress which has been made in this area in the recent past and feel certain that it will continue to receive the highest prioriy it is widely accepted i believe that the private member simply docs not have the time the energy or the money to get any- serious research done on pam cullen of brldlewood acres rr 1 unlonville won the mounted native cos tume class at the 7th annual allarabian horse show at markham saturday staff photo sixteen year old chris clark of rr 3 king won several awards including the international arabian association trophy tops in the halfbred pleasure horse class her mount is fran frollico x staff photo his own- the progressive conservative partys stu dent research assistant pro gramme begun this ses sion has been of value to several of our members this is however a purely voluntary programme and is limited accordingly if we are to effectively bal ance the great influence of the civil service on gov ernment policy it seems essential to provide the private members of all parties with adequate sources of fresh and in formed thinking on the is sue which confronts us i believe that most mem bers would agree that a great deal of our time has been wasted in the lengthy question periods many questions have been pre sented to ministers which could have been answered by letter or by telephone without taking up the time of the house i appreciate the value of the question period and the importance of continuing this pro cedure insofar as the estimates arc concerned i would like to mention some of the methods by which the al location of time might be more effectively c o n trolled if the estimates of all de partments are to be dealt witli in committee of the whole house then surely it is time for our parties to agree upon time limit for the estimates of all depart ments as has been done in ottawa and westminster within this overall period time could be allotted to the expenditures of the various departments in re lation to the sums involved if the opposition parties de sired it on the other hand it might be advisable to have the committee on the whole house deal only with those estimates in excess of a certain amount leaving the others to be examined by the appropriate stand ing committees or- as i believe the leader of the official op position proposed earlier this session a standing committee might be ap pointed to examine all of the estimates and to report its findings to the house in the normal manner i realize mr speaker that there are advantages and disadvantages to each of these methods and i am not competent to suggest which alternative should be adopted i simply wish at this time to point out the need for reform of our present system this ses sion for example we spent 34 hours debating the esti mates of the department of health involving the ex penditure of approxi mately 400000000 we spent only 20 hours on the estimates of the depart ment of education and university affairs which together involve expendi tures in excess of 11 bil lion i think it is also very significant that to date some 45 of the legis latures time has been spent in discussing depart mental estimates this figure is of course increas ing each day agreement upon a new procedure to deal with the business of supply is i believe one of our most urgent requirements 1 would welcome such an agreement particularly the socialist party which places such great emphasis on proper planning pro cedures finally we might also consider eliminating the adjournment for dinner by this measure alone the length of our sessions could be reduced by about 25 sir speaker in view of the intent of my remarks i have tried to be brief and non partisan the need for procedural reform is ob vious i believe to all mem bers and i would hope that the appropriate measures may be agreed upon locate bomb in lake port perry two children playing in the waters of lake scugog re covered an 11 pound aerial bomb near the shore shelley liscombe 9 and patty davidson 10 of cae- sarea made the discovery the bomb has been taken to the 11th armored regiment at oshawa after the children notified their parents major william clarke said it was an aerial prac tice bomb that had been used by student pilots and bombardiers during the second world war the function of the bomb is to mark a target by igniting flash powder the bomb was designed to explode upon hitting the ground he said he was unsure how the bomb got at its location but pointed out that during the war an ele mentary flying school had been located in oshawa and it was quite possible a gunnery range was located in the lake scugog area the bomb could have al so been dropped through carelessness said the major he explained such a bomb is capable of taking off a hand or killing a small child but in this instance it didnt explode since the safety pin was still intact and corroded into the bomb- major clarke said the discovery of bombs pose a potential danger to every one especially children he urged all citizens dis covering one to immedia tely turn it in this girl and the one lower left are the same only in different dress shes chris clark of rr 3 king looking as cute as any highland lassie she was an entry in the halfbred costume class staff photo markham a pretty unionville district girl on an equally attractive all- arabian horse captured the mounted native cos- tume class in stiff compe tition at markham satur day pam cullen on al marah ibn naharin of bridlewood fr- w i -c- t r aso- v 11 for 14 year old gerry parker cherry street whitchurch it was her first entry in close competition she rode kanadlaannha owned by mrs 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