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NDP leadership Werenot Lewis but well manage Ontario Democrats will have to get us ed to being led by someone other than Stephen Lewrs the three candidates to suc ceed him said here Saturday house leader Ian Deans treasury critic Michael Cassidy and housing critic Mike Breaugh told an allcandidates meeting here the party can continue to get good if dif ferent leadership after Lewis steps down in February The shadow of Lewis fell across the meeti during questionandanswer ses sion NDP sup rter Merv Bolton of Shanty Bay asked ether the party would not do better to try to get Lewis to stay on Bolton said any of the three candidates would have to get more votes than Lewis ever has in order to fulfil the partys goal of form ing provincial government in Ontario Three peo le here are trying to take Stephen Lewis position Bolton said What are you going to do that he hasnt done How are you going to get votes Breaugh said the party must face the fact that Lewis is leaving and that his successor will be different There is one Stephen Lewis in 100 years of Canadian politics he said None of us is go ing to be Stephen Lewis part two even all three of us tigether arent that Deans sai supposedly irreplacable NDP leaders have been successfully re laced before and political victory would the work of the ole party not just one man Political leaders cannot be considered larger than the party itself he said Cassidy said all three leadership can didates are competent enough to lead the par ty and dele ates to Februarys convention will have to ecide which is best He himself must prove that he can get more votes than Deans or Breaufir not that he can get more votes than Lewis said All three candidates embraced the name socialist emphasized economic issues and defended their partys call for $4 per hour mimmum wage Im pleased to hear everybody saying that were socialists Breaugh said feel most comfortable with that term Deans said Conservative economic policies will leave Ontario an economic backwater and the NDPs alternative has to be socialist alternative We have to develop the same credibility on economic issues as we have had for long tinge on social and human issues Cassidy sai Cassidy described the $4 minimum wage compared to the resent $265 as barely mimmum wage that for someone who has family responsibilities IAN DEANS party more important Breaugh said the party should have been better prepared to defend the policy in this years provincial election campaign and Deans said the wage proposal would have done no harm if the voters had had general confidence in the party The call for $4 minimum wage was used as major weapon against the NDP in the cam aign preceding this years election whic saw the NDP slip from official opposi tion to thirdparty status To hell with the public Well not altogether Organized labor should adopt the hell with the public as its blic position Gordon Wilson of Toronto ucation director for the United Auto Workers said Saturday And though Wilson told The Examiner he meant to hell with public opinion not the public interest the remark stirred up an in ternal controversy at New Democratic Par ty economic conference at Georgian College Hi Park MPP Ed Ziemba another speaker at the conference took exception to Wilsons statement Im not my brothers keeper Ziemba said but Im member of the NDP because Im my brothers brother and think thats the attitude you should have Andy Nicholson of Hawkestone recording secretary of United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners Local 2480 said senior members of the labor establishment are prisoners of their own organization who work for their own membership and say to hell with everybody else Wilson said labor has done more for social progress than any other group in sodety and owes nothing to public support even though the public benefits from such laborinspired ideas as statutory holidays and the Canada Pension Plan which he said corporations sup Cook wms 41 KITCHENER Barrie Allan Cook Juveniles romped to 41 win over Kit chener in the lntemational Invitational Gold Puck Hockey Tournament The Juveniles are out of contention for the championship because of two earlier losses in the tournament Dave Campbell played strong ame in net for Barrie Ran McIntyre Ron Eyers Jim Miles and Murray Hadley scored for Barrie The Juveniles will take on Thomhill Thunder birds in Thomhill on Tuesday and then on Thursday host Thomhill at Eastview Arena Thornton drops four THORNTON Thornton Minor Hockey Association had bad weekend losing four of five games in the York Simcoe Minor Hock Lea ue On Beeton Peewees defeated Thornton Georgian Sports Peewees 71 Beeton edged Emery Miller Bantams 21 On Sunday Ihomtons Innisfil Credit Union Atoms defeated Coldwater 31 C01 dwater Peewees defeated Georgian rts 41 and Coldwater Bantams blanked om ton Mike Dooham Bantams 20 Borden girls champs COLLINGWOOD Two quick baskets by Cathy Clowes in the last minute of play gave Canadian Forcu Base Borden 4035 victor to ca ture the Georgian Bay Secon dary School iation Zone Three midget igirls basketball cham ionship Sandy Gebhardt the Borden scorers with 17 points while Murial Deschenes played strongdefensive game and scored seven lnts ana Sutton Kim Duncan Sue Bats and Sandy Bruce also played strong defensive games Clowes had 10 points in the game nounced his retirement Johns is now the Get yours every day Cal The Examiner at 7266539 for home delivery ported to escape some of the cost of company pensions negotiated by unions think it is unfair to say that we have only been concerned with our own membership he said We end up apologizing for the pro gressive stands we take dont think we should do that anymore Wilson former member of the NDPs pro vincial executive said labor and the NDP sometimes have different interests and must go their own ways in such cases We labor do not intend to be your hand maiden and certainly you do not intend to be ours he said Nicholson said the NDP is failing by paying too much attention to labor There are good unions and bad unions Nicholson said and the NDP should oppose actions by greedy unions which do not give damn for the rest of the country Wilson said organized labor should ush for more influence on plant closings an reloca tions environmental issues investment policies guaranteed income and other issues He also said the labor movement is still not accepted as legitimate by the public In polls on the value of unions he said we consider it good position if we break even with our own membership All by himself Dave Johns Barrie Flyers goalie in the Ontario Senior Hockey League makes stick save during first period action Satur day night at the Barrie Arena The Flyers chopped 53 decision to the Thunder Bay Twins Johns will have lot of pressure put on him Ron Patterson Flyers other goalie announced this morning he had quit the team Patterson said he was not given fair chance to play this season Last week Ernie Miller another llyers goalie an only goalie the Flyers have For stories and pictures about the Flyers see todays Examiner Sports Page Quebec independent in 78 ST DENISSURRICHELIEU Que CP Some 2000 cheering and flagwaving nationalists were told here Sunday that in years time they would celebrate the birth of an independent Quebec One year from now 1000 garlands will mark the birth of an independent Quebec Cultural Development Minister Camille Laurin told the nationalist crowd 113thyon No 272 Monday Novombor21 1977 the exa Earlier Laurin placed wreath at the foot of granite memorial to the 300 FrenchCa nadian patriots who defeated force of 500 British soldiers in this village 60 kilometres southeast of Montreal during the rebellion of 183738 Chosen by nationalist groups as Patriot of the Year because he fathered the French Language Charter Laurin was given heros Small trains for small engineers Boys in railway caps miniature engines and elaborate layouts transformed Trinity Anglican parish hall into railway depot Saturday Matthew Dalziel 12 and Frederick Thcaker of Coldwatcr were among the visitors taking in the program organized by the Simcoe County Railways Modellers Examiner Photo Second cyclone hits India NEW DELHI Reuter huge tidal wave en ulfed town and rolled over surrounding vil ages contributing to an expected death toll of more than 1500 from two tropical cyclones to lash southern India in week At least 225 persons died when fourmetre 12foot waves whipped up by the winds roared through the coastal town of Machilipatnam in Andhra Pradesh state Saturday Driver dead TORONTO John Fleming 20 of Alliston died in hospital here Saturda of in juries suffered in an automobile acci ent on Highway 27 near Thornton earlier in the Fleming was taken to hospital following twocar collision near Innisfil Townships Eighth Line Ontario Provincial Police say his car flew 40 feet in the air and skidded another 500 feet on the ground after the im act The driver and two passengers in the other car suffered minor injuries Gordon Londory of Thornton has been charged with impaired driving and having excess alcohol in his blood and will appear in provincial court Tuesday in Barrie Blasts spending OTTAWA Progressive Conservative finance critic Sinclair Stevens says the federal government spends $8000 and sinks another $1600 in debt every seven seconds In 24 hours Stevens said in newsletter to constituents those who collect your taxes in Ottawa are spending it with such aban don that the country will plunge $25 million dee into the red national debt he said costs every taxpayer $472 this year In the next fiscal year the Trudeau government will spend about $50 billion 500 per cent increase over 1968 when Trudeau took office he said Much of the national debt springs from the desire of Canadians for high level of service from our governments Stevens said But he also says much of the money is wasted For example Stevens says the Bank of Canada is spending $56 million on new head quarters the federal govemment has spent $110 million on the moribund Pickering air port about $550 million on Mirabel Airport in Montreal that remains largely unused ederal employees took $1 million worth of taxi rides last year and the Treasury Board pa $60000 month in agentss fees for the as of Candu reactor to South Korea Stevens said the government is also spen ding $50588 to conduct study of the fertili ty of Quebec families and $13710 to Rescuers fear many more bodies will be discovered beneath the rubble of flattened homes Officials say the death toll from the cyclone probably will exceed 1000 In the Guntur District inland from Machilipatnam more than 600 rsons were killed and more than 100000 ma homeless week earlier another cyclone battered Tamil Nadu state causing floods that killed at least400persons research the physiological basis of insect feeding behavior In order to cut back on some of the needless spending Stevens is asking Cana dians to write to him when they see ex amples of inefficient overnmenls nding He said he will raiset matter int eCom mons and ask the appropriate cabinet minister for an explanation 130 dead in crash FUNCHAL Madeira AP Survivors of crash that killed 130 of 164 persons aboard Portuguese jetliner say the pilot ap parently realized he landed too far down the runway and tried to take off but the plane lunged 60 metres 200 feet down an em nkment and burst into flames TAP the Portuguese national airline said the Boeing 727 that crashed Saturday night in rain was carrying 91 Portuguese passengers 65 foreigners and eight crew members on flight from Brussels Belgium and Lisbon The forward section of the plane cart wheeled onto rocky beach throwing some of those aboard into the surf The pilot could not find the position for the fins approach and circled three or four times said survivor David van Beetz of Amsterdam At the last moment he came down overshooting the field The lane was going far too fast saw half the ane ripp ing open Ipassed out Two charged TORONTO CP Two men have been charged following an incident Friday night in north Toronto shopping centre in which licemans handgun was fired an Carter 28 and Wilhelumson Bill Walsh 29 both of Toronto were charged Sunday with assaulting police officer Walsh also was charged with having dangerous weapon baseball bat SSgt HB Owens of Metropolitan Toron to lice said Sunday that four plainsclothes offigers were at the shopping centre and saw two men arguing with third One of the two went to his car took out baseball bat and began swinging it at the man he was arguing with deadl welcome by the crowd many of whom had waited almost an hour in the darn cold for the lengthy ceremony to begin in the village square In contrast to the leaden skies overhead the nationalists presented colorful icture as almost everyone sported the tra tional redgreenandwhite tuques sashes and triot colors in wool ags Toddlers sported 15° Por COpy Carrier Home Dollvory 90 Weekly miner serving barrie and Simcoe county JERUSALEM AP Egyptian President Anwar Sadat ended his historic journey to Jerusalem today and flew to Cairo after he and Israeli Prime Minister Menahem Begin pledged No more war Weve had enoughfour wars in 30 years said Sadat who risked his political future and the unity of the Arab world to speak in the capital of his Jewish enemies Begin echoed the sentiment We have decided no more war between our nations We will establish peace and live in peace He then gave Sadat gift of nine ancient candlesticks and said From time to time have glimpse of it and remember your friends in Israel Escorted by Israeli jet fighter planes Sadat took off for Cairo in his Boeing 707 jetliner seen off as he had been welcomed Dump Rene gets support coast to coast Former mayor Bob Bentley said today he has received support from ever province ex cept Manitoba and Newfoun land for his campaign to unseat Quebec premier Rene Levesque Mail from Quebec includes 15 to 20 Fran cophone supporters two or three of whom wrote in French he said Bentley said the mail has piled up so quick ly that he has stopped counting He ex ts to start using volunteer help to handle mail later this week Last reported total was 456 names in sup port of the campaign Bentley is hoping for 10000 names from across Canada for his classaction suit asking the Supreme Court of Canada to make Leves que show cause why he should not be removed from office Bentley says he does not quarrel with Levesques right to be separatist but says he is abusing his office by working for separatism while premier of Canadian pro Vince Bentley said he is waiting for response from federal Secretary of State John Roberts to an inquiry for possible funds to staff the campaign He said very little of his mail has been antiFrench in character Greek election Andreas Papandreon waves to reporters af ter his antiWestern Panhellenic Socialist Movement nearly doubled its previous vote in Sundays Greek elections winning 91 seats and becoming the major opposition party Premier Constantine Caramanlls conservative government won 174 of the 300 parliamentary seats to retain power but saw its majority reduced AP Photo Hostages taken KINGSTON Ont CP About 20 isoners in the maximumsecurity wi of Killihaven penitentiary took two conv cts hostage at 11 pm Sunday and were tricolor armbands stitched to their snowsuits and waved tiny flags And while the crowd cheered each floral tribute and the procession of speakers in voking the memory of the patriots and evoking the future an independent Quebec they roared when young man placed mas kingtape over English lettering on the memorial that said In honor of the patriots Page two da earlier by the entire Israeli cabinet and po itical elite On his arrival in Egypt millions of people lined the route from the airport to Cairo hail ing their president as hero of peace At final joint news conference with Begin earlier tad here Sadat said there now is great for hard and drastic decisions by Israel have already taken my share of risk in my decision to come here he said He repeated that there can be no compromise on Arab demands for the return of all territory captured by Israel in 1967 This visit is real success for both coun tries and for the cause of peace Be declared He said he had agreed with Sa that there will be no more war no more bloodshed no more attacks and collaboration to avoid any event which may lead to such tragic developments Begin said that the chief achievement of Sadats visit was the start of serious direct dialogue not only between Israel and Egypt but with all the other states The key word is continuation said Begin We agreed we are going to continue our dialogue and ultimately out of it will come peace baths it nllc k3 Youre worrying too much about Clark man whos youngerhas more halrls better on inside local llfootylo mumlnmont to oomleo claulflod 12 to negotiatin today with rison authorities Prison rector Sta ey Scrutton said to day that negotiations were continuing with the assistance of two law professors at Queens University The ma involved in the incident are kept in the penitentiarys most secure special handling section which is known as super max Men convicted of murder of policemen and prison staff are placed in the unit Scrutton said The section is locked and the prisoners have covered the cell barrier to the rest of the prison to prevent observation of their activities It was not know whether the prisoners were armed Scrutton refused to name the prisoners in volved Provincial glice were alerted and placed officers outsi the prison Transit strike MONTREAL CP More than 2000 of this citys transit workers walked off the job early today and set up picket lines around bus gara es Initial they succeeded in ty ing up on part of citys transportation system The 2600 maintenance men and cashiers began walking out at midnight and set up earlymorning pickets to attempt to prevent buses from starting their daily routes One bottlethrowin incident was reported and police sai one man was ar rested Bus drivers gathered at the citys eight garages but in many cases were not taking uses tluough the pickets The citys subway stem was not af fected immediately by strike action The strike coincrdes with Grey week leading up to the Canadian Football League championship game at the Olym ic Stadium on Nov 27 but Grey up organizers say it will have little effect on most of the weeks activities scheduled for downtown hotels