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Personal best effort Carrie Parrish of Stayner Collegiate Institute is about to deliver the discus 3156 metres personal best during the zone three track and field meet at Barrie North Collegiate Wednesday Results and photos on Page 16 Examiner Photo No new US proposal on control of Aarms GENEVA AP US State Secretary Cyrus Vance and Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko of the Soviet Union continue their discussion of nuclear arms controls today af ter full exchange of views at their initial session Vances spokesman reported President Carter told congressional leaders in Washington he still hopes for substantial reductions in the Soviet and US nuclear ar senals But he said the two governments have not changed their conflicting positions on the fundamentals of new treatySALT 2to limit or reduce the superpowers stocks of longrange nuclear weapons There is no new American proposal White House press secretary Jody Powell told reporters We have presented what we believe to be fair and equitable proposals We are willing and eager to sit down and talk Soviet Communist party leader Leonid Brezhnev rejected the US proposals when Vance made them during his visit to Moscow in March The Russians offered no new proposals of their own at the time and there was no indication that Gromyko advanced any at his first meeting with Vance Wed nesday FLIJ EFFORT MADE Vance and Gromyko met for two hours and 20 minutes Wednesday and US spokesman Hodding Carter told reporters afterward Both sides feel they are engaged in full eflt Now thats what call arms Iimitationl inside local lifester entertainment 14 15 leisure sports comics 19 classified 20 to 23 Its camping time This weekend is the traditional start of the camping season To find out what sites are available in Simcoe County see todays Leisure Page 13 There is story on how to use the facilities of the travel information centre on Highway 400 at Barrie and another on what kind of gear campers are buying The travel centre has brochures and directions for all public and private camp ing spots in the county Spring show planned The Barrie Horticultural Society is holding its Spring Show Thursday May 26 at 730 pm at the Sunnidalc Community Centre Entries will be received at the centre from to pm Thejudge is Fendley Guest speaker will be George Blais on the topic Soils Fertilizers Lawns and Pest Control The show convener is Clara Orrock 7286326 Vocalists sought The Country cnorusmcn barbership harmony group is Wtdntsdzry May it from 730 to pm lit the Central United Church Hall Barrie The Barrie chapter is one of the fastest growing groups in the 38000 member Socie ty for the Preservation and Encouragement of Barber Shop Quartet Singing in America SPEBSQSA No musical knowledge is necessary to join the group only love for vocal harmony Catt 721t72trt for details All men are welcome to attend holding auditions fort of negotiation assume that means good faith on both sides There is no projection at this point how long the negotiations will go on the spokesman said This was taken to indicate that they might last more than the expected two or three days Vance cautioned reporters earlier not to expect speedy breakthrough saying negotiation of treaty is long proc ess that takes patience and perseverance The first SALT agreement expires in tober President Ford and Brezhnev agreed at their Vladivostok meeting in late 1974 that SALT would limit the two superpowers to 400 longrange bombers and intercontinental missiles But negotiations to incorporate this into treaty broke down over whether the limitations would apply to the new US Cruise missile and the Soviet Backfire boma ber NDP Candidate visits farms ELMVALE Simcoc ounty farmers face the same difficulties as farmers throughout the province income food prices and ris ing costs of production says Gordon Hill Hill president of the Ontario Federation of Agriculture from 1969 to 1976 and now New Democratic Party candidate in Middlesex surrounding London arrived in Barrie this morning He is touring area farms with local NDP candidates Paul Wessengcr tSimcoc cntrc and Roger Pretty Simcoe East Hills day began with 730 breakfast in Elmvale where he was joined by nine area farmers After informal discussions with the group Hill said the problems faced by all farmers are the same Farmers are faced with low incomes insuf ficient prices for their products and cort tinually increasing costs of production The costs of fertilirer machinery and energy have continually increased while the price of food products have remained stable or declined No sign yet of boaters Police boats are still patrolling lake Simcoo around Snake Island and lnnisfil Beach in search of two men whose boat capsized Saturn day night spokesman for the York Regional Police said today that no sign has yet been found of Terry Rowe 19 of Malton or Randy Millcr 20 of Gravcnhurst Two other persons who had been in thc boat were rtscucd early Sunday morning clinging to the craft Big fish catch lan Murray of Strotid shows off his l2 pound three outice 33inchlong picture he caught Monday night in the Not tanasaga River lie caught the big one after be hooked the small one in the saint place and you dont usually catch pickertl here at all he said Hi ptaits to enter it iii the lolsons Iii lisli tollltSl tllxamincr Photo The long weekend Weekend notebook summary of where to go and what to do on the long weekend is featured on the Leisure Page today Events ranging front teas and bake sale to musicals and fircworks displays are highlighted Thursday May 19 1977 5° Per Copy Carrier Home Delivery Wkly the examiner serving barrie and simcoe county CUPW demands inquiry info PC administration Learning all about police work Tltc thrcc area police forces that coul thc ariousjurisdictions liarr ric ity lolicc Ontario Imiincial Police anti the MI lune set up displays in thc fitorgian Mall to promotc Iolicc Week In the past the forces hinc opened their office doors to the public but this year the practice has been cancelled and replaced by the mall displays Three ycarold lcrtmy Wheeler gets hand from OPP orporal Wes Prosser as he tries the ll motorcylc oti for size Examiner Photo Train smashes into plant Tampered switch causes derailment WINDSOR Ont Iflr tampered swit di caused fanadian National Railways yard train hauling six cars to derail today and smash through the back wall of ircat rake Forging plant Nlt spokesman said Only minor injuries wcrc reported policc said Damage was estimated at at least sfiooooo by Norm llowell Great Lake plant engineer NR yardmastcr said whoever tampered Meant for prince MANCHESTER England Renter small box containing cxplosivos was found beside railway line near here that was to be used shortly by Prince Charles Olltt said today The prince was due to pass by the spot on his way back to London late Wednesday night after engagements in northern England railway employee noticcd the plastic box Wednesday at Golborne northwest of Manchester and police in three countries were put on alert police swkcsman said the explosives were not printed or wired up and forensic experts were examining the package The president can WASHINGTON lAP Burglaries ant other crimes are not illegal if they are or dcred by the president of the United States Richard Nixon says in his latest television interview In the interview to be broadcast tonight the former prtsident tells television per sonality David Frost that thn the president does it that means it is not illegal Excerpts from the program were published todav bv the New York Times Asked about the White House ordered burglary of the office of Daniel Ellsbcrgs psychiatrist Nixon denied advance knowl edge of the breakin But he said if White IiUS aide John Ehrlichman had told him of the planned burglary would have said Go right ahead 22992604 strong lltrl VLII 7ttlttlt point rho touched 15 Hanoi inst iunr mummy the 1976 Census tip 66 pcr cent or Lttitc front the previous census iii 1971 Statistics Canada reported Wednesday The 1976 census also showed that while the countrys largest metropolitan areas continued to show rapid growth urban dwellers were moving from the core of cities to suburbs The census showed that Alberta and British Columbia population grew fastest with the switch rtally know what thcy were doing lhc padlock on the switch on the mainline was Optllttl with kcy thc switch was turned to scnd thc ncxt train otito Iittlcthcd spur line leading to Grcat Lakes Forging and the switch was rclockcd hc Sltltl The targct small signal on topof the swit ch was turned to iudtcatc that the switch ea among the provinces each experiencing growth of 129 per cent in five years Saskatchewan was the only provincc in which the population declined with drop of onehalf of uric per cent Ontarios growth over the fiveyear period was 73 per cut while Quebec and Manitoba both cxtxricnced growth of 34 pcr ccnt Il ltONIO LAIH IZSI ictropolitan Toronto grow over the five years to become the countrys largest com munity with population of 2803401 an iri crcasc of 77 per cent Greene recovering OIlAWA Senator Joe Greene St was reported irt satisfactory condition in hospital late Wednesday after collapsing day carticr in the parliamentary restaurant Grccnc who has history of heart problems was not iii the coronary iri tcnsivccarc section and hospital spokesman said his collapse was not relatcd to his heart condit ion Liberals meet tonight STAYNER tStaff Liberals in tuffcriirSimcoc riding will make their choicc of candidate to contest the June provincial election at meeting at Stayncr ollcgiatc auditorium tonight President of the riding association Len Roetrue of oltingwood will preside In the tr HmInClitl election Robert Bcattic Lulu at am scconril to winner George Mc lt ll ho carricd thc ridingl for the Pro ttrtusntlonscwatives Separation vote flop PETERBOROUGH nt tP The Quebec referendum on separation is beaten cvcti bcfore it gots to the polls Rev Nil Guillcrnette pastor of St Alphonus Roman atholic parish in Thapcau Que satd Wed nesday would scrid the train straight through he ad dcd largc freight train from Buffalo NY with it to no loaded cars arrives in Windsor bctwocn It am and ti am daily and might easily have been the first to hit the switch the yardrnastcr said The company has bccn plagued by labor trouble and obtained an injunction against 35 of its cmploycs earlier this montlt lll AMI unwelcome No way for ldi LONDON AP Government sources said today that Ugandan President ldi Arriin will not be allowed into Britain to at tend conference of ommonwealth leaders June 846 The sources said formal announcement seems tutlikely before next week after all other heads of government of the liscountry Commonwealth have been informed of the British governments position The final decision to ban Amin was believed to have been made early today at special meeting of ministers at 10 Downing Street Prime Minister fallaglians official residence OTTAWA CP The post office and the fiery Canadian Union of Postal Workers CUPW meet at the bargaining table today to discuss new contract following series of hard shots at each other Wednesday CUPW called news conference to demand royal commission inquiry into post office administration The post office is foundering like cap tainless ship without sail or rudder and something must be done to correct this sit uation said Joe Davidson president of the militant union which represents 23000 mail sorters and postal clerks PostmasterGeneral JeanJacques Blais responded at his own news conference with comment that the union posturing Blais acknowledged that there have been continuing problems in the post office because of technological changes and said he Would consider the unions suggestion for royal commission if the union would agree to suspend negotiations during the com missions hearings However Blais also indicated he knew the union would not agree and commented as he left his news conference It is all academic anyway COMMONS DEBATEI The controversy later erupted in the Com mons when Progressive Conservative Walter Dinsdale MP for Brandon opened debate on the post office with suggestion that special CommonsSenate committee be ap pointed to investigate the governments con tinuing inability to provide Canadians with an efficient postal service Dinsdale said it didnt really matter to him what form the inquiry took His main concern was to get some action before the point of no return is passed Dinsdale said severe labormanagement friction started nine years ago when there was headlong rush towards mechanization and the whole thing was presented to the union as fait accompli The union must help plan technological changes Dinsdale said Blais said in the Commons as Davidson watched from the public gallery that his goal is to promote peace in the post office But Blais went on to say that the CUPW leaders have adopted combative stance an intransigcnt stance that is counter productive SIIOOK HEAD Davidson sat shaking his head but said later did not want to comment on Blaiss speech The contract expires June 30 and the union says it wants an ironclad guarantee that workers will benefit from any technological changes Davidson said at his news conference that UPW is not opposed to changes that will im prove postal efficiency but workers should be protected from adverse effects and be cause the post office has violated the current contract with impunity the new con tract should havc some penalty clauses in it The current contract was signed in Decem her 1973 following bitter sevenweek strike At that time the union thought it had won guarantee of protection from adverse effects of changes But the post office has continued to implement changes without agreement bet ween both parties on how to eliminate ad verse effects The contract requires the government to give the union 120 days notice of proposed technological change but it doesnt extend the consultation period if agreement is not reached within that time future Murder weapon found BRAMPTON nt PI The weapon usai in the Friday stabbing death of Glenna Fox 27 has been found and identified Peel regional olicc said Wednesday But po ice said details about the weapon are being withheld so as not to hamper the investigation Staff lnsp Des Rowland said stranger may have repeatedly stabbed Mrs Fox before she could step out of her car at crowded shopping centre He said the weapon was found earlier this week and identified as the murder weapon by the Centre for Forensic Sciences in Toronto The police have 30 detectives working fulltime on the investigation Police said fingerprints which did not belong to the Fox family have been lifted from Mrs Foxs car Mrs Fox is survived by her husband Peter 35 who works for General Motors in Oshawa and an cightmorrtlrold daughter Lauratca Shocked at shift OTTAWA CPI Area politICians and businessmen reacted with shock ch nesday to federal announcement that it will shift 15000 federal employees across the Ottawa River to Hull Que and aban don four million square feet of office space here rented from the private sector Mayor Lorry Greenberg said the city nuld become ghost town as rtsult of federal evacuation of downtown office buildings Sid Handlernan Ontano minister of consumer and commercial relations said it could make the area an economic wasteland Handleman was in his Ottawa area Carleton riding campaigning for the June provincial election Greenberg said the 10$ in revenue to me city might add $45 year to the average city my bill Mairin sunny today and Friday Highs both days 21 to 24 Overnight lows to to tar