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short time after being admitted for treatment Native of Orillia he was called to the Bar in 1900 after studies at Queens University and Osgoodc Hall 119 vasVappointed 111 the bench in 1931 Hcisisur vivcd by three daughters Mrs Jas Cow and Mrs Paul Fenton of Toronto and Miss Margot Tud hopc of Brockvillc CHARLES iMcMARTIN WINS ACCLAMATION 1011 SCHOOL BOARD Charles McMartin was the only candidate to qualify for the sixth seat on the Barrie Public School Board by pm last Thursday and he won an acolamation The other nom incc Mrs Bessie Clemmens who had served on the board of education for few years did not dualify asa candidate The second nomination was necessary because only five persons had qualified for the six seats when the first nomin ations were received Mr McMartin is plant forc man at First Cooperative Pack crs Limited and he resides at Dalton St Col SVTA Carry Lee OBE MC Legion Honorary President goncls Garry Lee OBE of Barrie has been elected of Canadian Legion He hasvan im World War he was wounded and awarded the Military Cross He the army following the war in in 1936 he Royal Canadian Corps of Signals at Camp Borden Two years later he became seniOr administrative officer of MD and it was during this time he was responsible for arrangements in connectionwith the visit of King George VI and Queen Elizabeth to Toronto Ham ilton Niagara Falls St Catharines the war in 1939 he was charged with the responsibility of convert ing the Canadian Nptional Ex into military camp and the dispatching of units Turn to page two please COL LEE OBE MG Two Accidente Fridll L111 piano 1115 111111111 Addie Ball of Mcdontc 3rd and Larry I111111p 111 lulll1 Utilxttrs 111111 rlyl 8111th Studio BARR 1111111111 101 1311 DCWIML 01 bunmdih Edwards 1Iltlgt 5000 11111111111 ll McKay 1101111 HULKMUIH XVI lVVH NV Margaret 1111111111 1000 111 1111111 1111111111111 Joli rpm1114112151 along 1111 WP Institute PIGSIdelW 111lls11 111111111 1100 111111111111 511111111 Im 1np11rnxlmutoly 130111 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the assistance and Pcterbom Narmal School She gagrelsalggng C0 11111 Iubcrctllosis Hospital Westonlfnrward to receipt 01111810111111 expenSc of renting and Staff cooperation which he had received After bcmu 11111011111011 HF 11 111115 lhc Watcrworks Department is of Commis mSttauEm 010 Townihtlp and lGemgC RIBmwn 50000 Members of the BarrreTown torcd nurse she obtained her 0111 1111 11 wmg the poumg places ls dp 10m the mom he was Sault Ste Mane thlec years lJ Boys 60000 1n or 1m ham sion and the staff during the year before coming to Barrie In 1930 Boadway 21mg Council for 1948 Will be as grcc n1 publ1c health nursing and 11111111111111 13111111 owendituml momma VV He also expressed very sincere She went 015385 as an exchange Ernie Lindlay 500 follows 35 11111111111100 11113113113 F110 OIR ahcatl ofus for next ycar we will The Towu COttllcll in 10411 regrets that Craig Who has teacher in South Wales and year Inwer galley mayo Grant Inf Hi SCh19011WW11$ lmFI 91191116 mum borwwmis CM 5111 Will have th0 new members ivcn splendid service the Com 05519 11 01f Reevc George ar vrntlvv 11111 1111111 111 110 pun 1c 1mm ibission as Mayor Cbmmissionep iaqtgiggtgfgi ggzglcmwslgelgcoggg MargaretVnght 2000 08qu Reeve Hart 51110015 and SL Marys 3Lth is New QR inch man MW been Maurice Hinesrand William and chairman for total of 18 is well known ouout the dis Elvglgm Aldermen Ward Clarence given phys1cal cxnminntlon and hid DIN plum gl Vincent M91T10k The Wlu also be can rb t1 nd Ham ton Fralick the classrooms arc cluckcd from 11 11 returnm 10 yealsv W3 unable to be 9105 at trlct as an clocuttomst Keen 100 CO It 11111 Cook 81s 111111 111111 inch marhsl 90 men Eliot erilicthanijg11111151115111t illness and 11131yVgtLemrgorli geracziclgamhydarg nut 11 111110 on Dru Lima ROSS StVVVand Ship serve the Town after an ab 1a 11 act re no as ons ance es lam WC member of the Board His Worship Sterlmg Trust Bulldmg Vcrdclla VDixon 2500l Maurice Vllines and Mrs Mary kilhmlschW313 1111ilzfdo0 $13523 $91169 $101 the counclli ngml Grant Mayor hcartlly concurred Af Five Points Ready dwm glislon Laurie Ward 4VGHE Jayne Street but as it must cross the street ton Flalgk glames Halt in the Chairmans remarks an 10 81 50 and William 8y um and 0m 10 W11 wire Charles 0110 er PrObably Early In iiiiiii Charles Grifn and Charles cdnsidtrnblc fill it dobld hardllv be T1 11 Mrs Houow 100 POWhe vwad Riglnaad 111100 VBHXtrI V17111111y 1110 19 undertakcn while thestrcct was re Evans of Bradfo was The appomtment of Flrloite le wla 10hmgtare 110$ Minesing Womens Institute 15000 AW and Herbert oug EMUSIC by Slum Mumauleers 11111er as detour and the work again elected by acclahtion 11 as 511139111113de Of export trafflc ifmpdele be XdWOSboiey GCWC Firman 7500 ced 13811ka Tom 930 10 V3 Violfb has been deferred until next spring reeve and he will 10 0501194111 canadlan Naimnal Rallwaysx 35 1C1 $05 Omh ult mg WOmtVnS Cimadlal 111113 ll1 Other work authorized has also had community on the county council announced bl 1319810 Cthf emc on 50 Gas comelo mils WNIHLL C0111 51 Umhd to be postponed 11n11ccou11t of the in 1948 Reeve Erans served 11 the Five Pomts for the Sterlln 2f tragipotdton tMr Frllowttetmll Trust Corporation of Toronto school room Tuesday D00 111 893V impossibility ofgcttingany more cliaiirnatiofth LEM 3V9 15 93 our p111 pin mittce of the cuntv council General Contracmrs are Gatc Progressing Euchre in Utopia hogs if Toront61h 1331 VSchool Molidzfy Doc 15 8130 sharp xe ne an 1e or as are cc an Good prizes lilvcrvbodv wel ward of Toronto is doing the The Editor Barrie Examiner North Pole 81h Dec 1947 comc an Barrie Ontario Dear Sir must apologize for being somewhat remiss in writing to the Town of Barrie this year but Lam surc you will realize that the pressure ofWork preparing for the 1947 Christmas has been heavier than usual heartily enjoyed my visit to Barrie last year and was pressed to return again this coming Christmas and it is with pleasure thatI can inform the children of Barrie that have managed to squeeze in visitll to scethem on the afternoon of Saturday 201h December Just how will appearfWill depend great deal upon the weather We are ex ilpericncing most1 remarlfable winter up here at the North Pole and plumbing and the electricians are D1 11cc Midturst wnslii1 Hall the North York Appliance 11 Friday Dec 12 Auspiccs PT Club Lucky spot prize Music by Item alds orchestra 3011 Danco lvy 01111ng Hall Friday Dec 12 auspices Ivy Junior Farm ers Lucky spot prizes Music by Stroud Mountaineers 5011 CGlT Candlelight Service will be heldzin Collier St Unitch Church Sunday Dec9vl4pm1 11 is expected the plastering and trimming will be started in the near future and the building should be ready for Occupancy early in 1948 High Position in Torlodto Retirement of Dr Horace Brit tain as director of the Toronto Bureau of MunicipalResearch and the Citizens Research Institute of Canada has been announced follow ing more than third of century in the direction of these important oJ On Highway in Barrie Three ychicles were involved in until rthcllastmoment wont be able to decide my mode of travel All vCGIT groups and friends are research organizations Mr Eric an accident on Bradford Street near might add that all the reindeer are finecxcept Donner Who hasbeen invited sop Hargyhas 09 appointed 10 sue Elizabeth Street last Friday even suffering from severe cold and Prancer who fear is beginping to Christmas concert Churchill cecd Dr 13111ng effective immed show signs of oldage or perhaps he is just aiwee bit tired ing truck Was parked on the highway and acar driven by Bruce Clark of Nitro Quebec stopped to avoid striking the truck taxi driven by Bert Coulter drove into the Clark car which was damaged to the extent of $50 Also last Friday the day of the heavy snowstorm 1947 car in transit was struck on Highway 11 near Giorgiannis service station In trying to get back on the cleared section of the highway the car was stuck in the snow and it was struck by car coming around the curve and driVen by Roy Dwinnell Gill St Orillia Each car was damaged to about $75 The car in transit was driven by Mr Steed School Dec 17 815 pm in Churc 11111111111 Admission 35c Studentsi apd children 25c Dance to Mul liollands orchestra 50131 Savage secretary of th Ontario Coop Union speaker at annual meeting of Simcoc Coop Medical Services Library Hall Barrie pm Friday December 19 511511 North Simcoc Crop Improvement Association announces the holdingr of the annual meeting at the Com munity House Barrie Friday chv ening Dec 112 pm Special speaker from Crops Branch All interested in crop improvement Cordially yours work are welcome John Kidd SANTA CLAUS Pres Morris Darby Secy 4950b ERIC HARDY are 115 lately accordin to recent advice issnedjointly by Rogers pres1 ident of the hurcauand Berkinshaw president of the instiV tute Dr Brittain pioneered in the field of Canadian municipal re search and has been recognized as arr outstanding authority After conducting the Ohio State Rural School Survey in 191314 be under took the task of setting up the TorontouBurean of Municipal Re searchand was appointed its first managing director and secretaryriv In 1919 the Citizens ReSearch In Vstitute of Canada was formed with Dr Brittain at its head Well over 100 institutional and Turn to page two please If everything goes well expect to arrive in Barrie about four oclock on the Saturday afternoon although you will appreciate some times have terrific time getting away from some of the tawns and cities as there appears to be always another crowd of children who havent had chance to say Hello and whisper few of their hopes If recall correctly met all the children of Barrie at Post Office Square last year and would like to see them all again at the same spot would like to mention tho that thought many more adults than children actually saw me last year Understandable imagine as were all children at heart However Im sure this year they will stop and think that they have seen me many times on my Yuletide trips and thisrtime the younger generation will have an opporgirpity of get ting little closer and really meet me In closing may request you topublish this letter so the children of Barrie will not think that old St Nick has forgotten them this year