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Kingston Chronicle (Kingston, ON1819), February 12, 1831, p. 1

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kingston chiioniciie nec rege nec popllo sed utrfqve vol 12 saturday february 2 1831 no 33 foreign revolution in poland the lull wilts i hit account of hie im- kciuu imlwr of llii revolution as publish- rd in the journal di paris of december i4th jtws in he evening of the 29 h novem ber liii tin in9irrejtiiin vaa onuner cecl by lit uiulrr ensigns it was excited by in abhorrence which they hid to witnet the i4winnioi death of twelve students who had been wnlenccd by a court murtiai to b- shoi fr taring nuiig the mwelloh hymn thefirt pmtto which the ensign directed their coue wait- the apenal they ck iin uilbnt pwt which contati- 17000 0 5nnnd 100 pieces of cannon the grand d ike coiwuntine was then at belvedere about three mile from wamw the fight continued dtlring the whole of the night and on the following morning ihe sbopic remained masters of the city the kiuiml of engineers was die first to re volt thefronch iriinlourrd cork ide was initantly adtud wih erics of vtve lv vetic h frieiul ot kfneuikn fir ever thfj went to the hotwoof the french con- i imciiich of ihe tricolred haw- and ht- vin flht it although he consul m du- rnd w snicctcd be a congregation aid mittcltvd t the fallen dynasty they jcicj the polish white flag and thi tri-co- loied one together and hoisted then in that itile the national guard is beinj raised the prussian state gazette nf dtcember 4th says the news nf the polish insurrection caucil the grealest consternation as fr as rcrdiy prepared and then carried into ef- tfec hy a nniiiler nf voting poles vhoarc educaied in a military school and conse quently hve a military organization the insurgents hastened to the palace an4 mur dered the russian centincls al the sami 4owt dp arms iml spread themselves thro j the town calline the citizens to arms a mfltiturte of ktudents and inhabitants soon joined them the proceeded lo llw bar- wksof the infuiiryand thearsenal which tr taken hy 10 oclock the immense quantity of imikets and sabres it contained were distributed to the people the insur rection hail previously gained the barracks of tlie infantry the engineerregiment was jhe first that rose and several other regi ments aoon followed the grand duke oomtantine on the point of being atlacked r surrounded in his palace effected his re treat upon praga with his guard two rus- whn regis and a regt f polish cavalry who followed liim from a sense of military honor hut will remain neutral if the soldiers u not disband theutsldves and join their ft lio w citizens the exasperation fcr a bn lime smothered was so very consider able at the moment of insurrection that me polish detachments who at the com- nenccment refused to give up their post of innr in ihe people were massacred as trait ors fortyone colonels or majors were ailled in endeavoring to keep the troops in obedience it is added that two aids of the r yet know the pint was ders of professors schirma and hube ge neral uichter surrendered at the same time with generals essakoff krirtkof lange and engehnann annd the emperors aid- dccamp buturlin and goloncl ignatieff all hese officers are kept under arrest in the royal palace divisions of troops of the line and several citizens have arrested those persons who attempted to plunder houses and magazines gen sieniiat kift- ski died in the night of the 29th the council of administration being informed that his imperial highness the grand duke czarowiisch desired to know tin present wishes of the nation sent to his head quar ters four of its memhers viz prince czar- teroyski prince luhecki and the deputies lelewel and ostruwski this deputation represented to his imperial highness that it was the universal wish of the nation that the constitution should he completely car ried into execution also that his majesty would fulfil the promise made by his illus trious predecessor to incorporate with the kingdom of poland the polish provinces formerly united with russia and lastly that the lithuanian corps under the com mand of the czarowitsch might not enter the kingdom of poland lastly the depu tation observed that it was the most ardent wish of the nation that all the ancient parts of poland now under the dominion of russia should be reunited with the king dom of poland to enjoy with it the benelits of the constitution the french consulgenera i hoisted the tricolored flag on his house immediately after the departure of the russian troops the shops are already open and there is no want of provisions tranquility is per fectly restored several persons who have committed robberies have been punished some of them were put to death tlie me dical gentlemen of this city areactively en- 1 gaged in attendingtothe wounded citizens general sicrewski is appointed command ant ofthecitv 1 iifi going dulchihif imperial troops to withdraw from the capital and expect from the honor of the poles that the former will not be interrupted in their march to the eiupire i likewise recom mend all establishments all property and persons to the protection of the polish na tion and place them under the safeguard of its honor signed const antine warsaw dec 3 1830 silesia and 1 omerania their own unholy i language like tins in england backed portion of ihe original spoil of poland and 1 by the martial f significantly mani- ncxt because they must naturally dread the i fested or all occd uw french people and combined wl the apprehensions which despotic rulers n 10w fil all over eu rope of insecurity f pplar commotions at home may hiffj e effect anticipated as possible by ihe pglsh journalist and in duce russia ratll to yield to ihe torrent and by timely c mill retain the no minal sovereignty of poland than to risk all the chances of a general war which would be a warof opinl resentment of every freeborn mind in eu rope and the honest discontent and opposi tion of their own soldiery and people it they shoull interpose and iail in the flagi tious attempt ofrivettinga new the chainsof russia upon these gallant insurgents in lookmgat europe at the present mo ment we cannot but perceive that the ground trembles and quakes in all quarters and that a general and mighty convulsion is about to ake place whilst the earth quake is fett from beneath the burning lava begins to fwvv and the stream takes that di rection wlre s least likely to meet with opposition v impediment french chamber of deputies a voice- and the affairs of poland the minister our first duty is the inte rior oncv assured of internal peace we shall be in a better condition to turn our regards to external matters m layfcyettei decline to enter into the question of cantons or communes but if i am asked if you are now to dicuss whe ther all franco shall arm i answer the question is already decided the people did not wait in 1789 or 1730 to deliberate but marched ns the enemy sensation we must therefore prepare for war as the best means pf fecuring peace we canmt liipe to mak a europe in love with our institution are those who still look with a jaundiced eye upon the accession of a citizen tfb to our hrone new move ment the revolution of belgium the eldest butter of one great week may yet excite une at this moment you tec poland llmi bear ready to rival in zeal and patriot the friends of liberty not on- 1 iv in france but in al other the first enacting clause fresh but movements countries south america from iht ntwvwrk american latest and probably last afjtf 0f bol1ver by an arrival al baltimore on saturday from si martha a fie basreceivd a let ter from an office s he columbian service from wf lie permits ns to make the following e lrat extract that ta ken in connection witl1 he proclamation enilosed in the elter 4 which we trans late leaves little room fy no la boliver could survive f dvng cxorlations will do more to vinri own fame than we fear topacity unile his countrymen santa martha 12th dec 1830 the liberator p a tnnnlh al karen- gmlla previody- a n in soledid where he ciughf a evere cold whi h he carried to birehb rfl he w better and horrfr worse until it settled on his lungvand itf arr ere wa a c pleie skclelm w earried on shore and since the w been gelling worse and worse and yattrtlaj look the sacra ment heinidt- a address to his roun- b i 1 tryinen n copy piland hear hear i a yj of which 1 enclose tent nf great agr it wa which t im i the folow important article is from bells weekly messenger of the lotli i the foreign intelligence of ihe week is of more interest than usual inasmuch as it brines infnrmation of a great revolution which has taken place in a part of europe where the sun of freedom seemed to have set forever we allude to the revolt of the poles in the russian provinces the flight of the archduke constantine and the ea- tahlishment of a provisional government at wamaw 11 though in a more distant quarter of europe we confess that we look to this re volution with more satisfaction than to that which has recently occurred in france or koworerfam the opinion iat warsaw beldam poland has been oppressed by a that hie detection of the polish army j the unrelenting hand of despotism formany toiim hecomc general the ilnef of the years jihfnicipal police and two rtttrian gene- is perhapsjpn tbe point of repairing the i imy n for is shortness and short or for any selfish purpose of her own wasi ranny only reigntd to msjke herself a party to the quarrel iu russian poland violent murmur and marks of disapprobation m lafayette turning towards general sebamiam i spek in ihe presence of the minister for foreign affair who knows that the supposition is very natural why not then place ourselves in the fittest pus- turn for defence cheers the debate upnn the remaining articles was adjourned over lo the next silting death of benjamin constant mr benjamin constant died at his resid ence in paris on the 8th december the french papers of the 13th are filled with details of the funeral honors paid to the de ceased which took placeon the 12th the funeral wassolemnized with great splendor it had not the least shadow of free institutions hut was under the sway of a pure unmixed despotism a despotism not contented with a mere civil tyranny but ltd uric killed the german general hmch an i count stanislaus potosky was ll killed in endeavoring to rally the i besetting the rathsofdome ivof the military chest and the house luting even the privacy of the chamber with rflhe paymaster general were plundered a degrading system of espionage nera1 klopiecki has taken command of the oppression which the russians the i troops and is endeavoring lo re- 1 pnictised in poland can scarcely be believ ed no man in any station of life was per mitted to marry ot to desnose of his inner- etoro order itissiidthat he kasalnaly i6o00 troops of the line under his command the french tricolored cockade was adopt- j itance witliotlti license from the govern- gg ul enj ctfw p e l volution with more satisfaction than to tw- chdtence is added that two ads of the which has recently occurred in fiance v ill j lc belgium poland has been oppressed i by wmlwi hw detection ul the pnh army thc unrelenting hand of despotism for mart would become general the chief of the vc it had not thc least shadow of municipal pdce am two jlussiaii i gene- institutions but was under the awav ok jafa were jffmu i he german general pure unmixed despotism a despotism nfl hstic i and count stanislaus potoaky was contented with a mere civil tyranny bm aho killed in endeavoring to rally the besetting the paths of domestic life and n mops rue military chest and the house luting even thc privacy of tlie chamber wsvdh the paymaster general were plundered a degrading system of espionage general klopieck has taken command of the oppicssion which the hie polish troops and is endeavoring to re- tore order itissiidthat he hasalray 16000 tmops of tlie liueunder his command the french tricolored cockade was adopt edal the beginning of the insurrection but it was soon replaced by the polish cockade a corpse of national guards was organiz in the council of adrmnstraliou estab- raed by tlie kmperor f russia in con- jimctioti willi prince lubfski minister vf miners prince adim czirtonnski and ftmce michael kadziril form the provi- tioual govrnineill and have issued a pro- elauniifni in which they acknowledge the right of sovereignty of the emperor nich olas but on condition that the separation of the two states shall he complete and that flo russian military corps shall keep garri son in the kinglorn of poland lieut gc- m czrtorinki was the first minister of poland in 1814 when the kmperor gave to that cnuntrv a liberal constitution the execution of which was afterwards suspen ds by the same sovereign prince radzi h is consm of the gov gen of thc duchy if pisen prussian poland and brother in law to the ring of prussia iseti in roaoa can scarcely be dent- wliioli divided poland among russia prus- no man in any station of life was pfuia and austria have left deep and undying i to marry or to despose of his inh resentments those of the russian porliun have broken out into action those of the ther portions doubly excited by the success which crowned the efforts of their country men against ihe russians willlmdly slum ber and then those three powers will be in thc field to crt what they now deem their rights such a state of aftaua will pre sent to france a very simms question for if the principle s t which lier revolution sn happily achieved has given the impulse jzz2ei i p in pola b t j0 exhausted everv species of ned efforts of the brer powen referred to the next step might and very probably warsaw prpers to the 5th of december contain the following intelligence from ihat capital the authorities of this city have issued detailed inductions fur thc general arming tfthecitizens on the it of this month several armed citizen wore seen with trirolored cock- aiksitfllduhand white the day after lhvemr iiily white cockades tvere seen it h rtiiorted that general rnzntecki has sen tailed iwm kulussin a great number cf aruird land owners and peasants are has- j itnuis to thin city from kalisdt general thlopicki reviewed on ihe lm nfthisinontli tlc new ly organized national gturd the i shidontsof uur univrrsity formed a sepa- wfi division of this guard under the or- ppression wincb the russians practised in poland can scarcely be heli ed mitted itance without a license from the go vert mcni most persons possessed of any h fluence were compelled to live in sohtdite upon their own estates and not perniittucd to pass even the frontiers of one province another without a passport obtained by ii most degrading supplications thetis whilst the russians were travelling in e ery quarter of europe a polish traveh was scarcely so muchas seen poland w imprisoned as it were w ilhin herown fnfoo tiers and k russia who cxnausied every species tyranny and exaction upon the people m every mind of common feeling n1 rejoice at the attempt made by such a pk pie he the event what it may to regfb their freedom whatever sympathy iriw be excited for france and belgium it idb he recollected that they were already m possession of liberal forms of governing while thc poles were almost thc only um mancipatcd staves in europe the adscript t6aofthe dark feudal ages the moh ments of those barbarous times when 1 h common mulliudu of mankind was as hille regarded as the beasts of the field that thc day of vengeance would cofl on the descendants of catherine 1 great for ihe infamous spoliation of pob forty years ago no man who trusted in ie providential course of human events coivw lor a moment doubt but wo did not tlif it so near at hand it is our sincere v that another sohieskn or koscinsko nmv rise to direct ihe arms and councils of i m poles in this grcut slniggle for their w- dom europe we hope will stand by j an impartial spectator though in biinvji case it will be impossible lo ho an indildr- ent one austria and prussia will not dare to interfere first because they will appi heed tbc exte9ioa o the insurrection 3 to from the ntwtork american thc ball of revolution is still in motion by the sovereign london packet papers from that city to the 18tb ull have been re- ccived fu the uc of a file ef which we are j indebted to the courier and enquirer the i ancient kingdom of poland had risen in in surrection against its russian masters and the viceroy the archduke constant ine had been compelled lo withdraw from warsaw after a short butsaflguinary contest between the russian guards and the inhabitants and students of that city the particulars of these events will be found among our ex- tractsj and are fitted to excite ihe greatest apprehensions as to the peace of europe the atrocious partitions of 1793 and 1795 which divided poland among russia prus sia and austria hava left deep and undying resentments those of the russian portion have broken out into action lhoc of tbe o ceivedfoi the iveofafiw of which we are indebted to the courier and enquirer the ancient kingdom of poland had risen in in surrection against its russian masters and the viceroy the archduke constanline had been compelled to withdraw from warsaw after a short bntsanguinary contest between the russian guard and the inhabitants and rtndants of that city the particulars of these events will be found among our ex tracts and are fitted to excite ihe greatest apprehensions 38 to thc peace of europe- thc atrocious partitions of 1793 and 1795i have laboured disinterestedly in mv fortune thtl my repose i relinquished the command wp found tht you doubted of my dismtere my enemies abused ycur credly ad availed iht which 18 most precicl to my reputation and love of liberty i lavc been the victim of my pr who have conducted me to the f w 0 l crave i pardon ihein on the point of disappearing ft you my tender affection carmwlw that i ought tcmanifest toyou my iast wlfiu 1 pire to no other glorv thsntf solidating columbia all ought t8 fof the inestimable blessing of uuiorf- tne peo ple by obeying the actual rveff j otdet to escnpe from anarchy ihtr misters of the sanctuary by addressing thrrp to heaven the soldiery bycmpljjtfteir arms to defend the guarantees of s 4 columbianfmy death shall to the diappeanrce of parlies k in consolklation of the union 1 shi descend with calmness lo thc grave r t 0 signed simon bom san pedro 16th dec 1830 provincial parliam house op assembly tufsdat j i8 agreeable to order the house to committee on the marriage bill mr samson io the clisiir tht aftonmi fwm mnvod consolidation of the onion with calmness to the grave signed simon bc0uyar san pedro 16th dec 1830 aod lost dpoq being moved wft mackenzie complimented the attor ney general for his liberaliiy which he said exceeded any radical iu the laic house the auy general was more liberal than the member from lennox and addingtoo he mrmck would extcud tbe hene6ts of thc proposed eoactmeot to every religi ous dcoomiuaiioq wirhout distiacrion a- greeably to the suggestion of the attorney general instead of naming the purticuhu sects as in tho hill of mr perry ho ob jected to any limitation unitarians were as much entitled to the right as trinitari ans here mr mackenzie rend extracts from the speeches of the archbishop nf caoterhury and lord lansdnwne made in the house nf lords in which ihey ad vocated ihe right of uuilartans to tho pri vilege in question mr atfcatonsaid he wns ofjust the same opinion as ins honorable colleague he was for having nil sects enjoy equal privileges he did not like to have the names of aome sects pui in the hill and others left out if j snitl tho hon member was on a jury would i say that a marriage was ille gal because it was performed by a minister not named in that hill no i would not say no such thing mr a mcdonald wmdd not risk the chance of losing the hill by introducing the names of soy other sects than thoso con- taioed in it when it formerly passed thc legislature he would have noohjectious to granting ihe privilege to unitarians and others hereafter hut he would not eudao- ger the passage nf the measure by adding their names to the present bill tho atlmy general said he should pro- poso his clauses granting the riht to all denominations io amendment to that of mr perry wr mackenzie modo nnother ion speech in favor of the auy generals rflwnthymrrfwvy f mj jwi jllr biordauy preferred tho auy gene rals amendment though he did nut wish to throw any obstacles io the way of the general measure he again deprecated the frequent alluiions to thc legislative cuuncil he thought it was quite unncssa- ry lo allude to that body at all it was c- noagh for the hnue of assembly to legis late for itself and leave the other house to do the same mr jarvis approved of the amendment which gave the right to every denomina- tiou without distiuetioos io preference to the clause of mr perry which limited the right to certain sects ar jone also cuntended for tho more liberal principle mr morris would give the preference to the principle embraced in the amend ment though he was afraid it might endan ger iho passage of tho general measure the speaker expressed his desire thai the right io question should be extended as generally and liberally as possible he thought that ministers of every sect urilh- out dislitrctiuoi should be legally entitled to celebrate the marriage eeremuoy nod he conceived that the amendment of the attorney generals was the best calculated lo secure that priociple mr perrys clause was then put and negatived by a majority of 4 to 1 and the amcudmeot of the attorney general was carried by a similar majority when the committco roso reported progress aod ask ed leave to sit agaio oo thursday the house resumed- the chairmao reported progress and ask ed leave to sit agaio oo mouday next on motion made and seconded 1 shaklldcendl thought that ministers of every seel with out disliutlioe should be legally entitled a- la in t o on- upper ca1va1a it lipt e next step inigm ana very would be to turn the same arms against france in order to extirpate there in their source the mischiedanger and example of successful revolution in such a view of the case it would be the obvious interest and policy of france to fight her battle on po lish ground and with thc aid of polish al lies and accordingly wc find among thc latest rumor 0e importing that france had declared positively to austriaand prus sia that if they interfered against the poles she would interpose in their favor- refer ring to this stale of things the london cou rier nf the 14th says there is but one way to prevent russia and lieralliesfrrtoi going towarwith france in order to extirpate the principles of con st hut tonal freed m there rather than be t krpt on the oui vive in order td defeat their 1 iiiflience on ihe countries under tluir snh jci tion ht lie hoiid of amity be drawn ctox- er and efaw between franceand tf britain 1 heir mhiun bv making the chance of mic- t ph airainst them dejerhte way induce the ruler iif absolute slates to purchase peace at homo and abtoad by conremnn aird ihe cotitlitiit uf rmin in tvry country in knropm may then be benefited there aught to be but onefcttinc zmorgfrcc state provincial parliament house of assembly- tuesday jjak ib agreeable to order the housee ut in to committee on the marriage bdlll mr snmson in tho chair the attorney gtneral moved thliat a pre amble uhich he read confirming all mar riages whatever which had ulrreadj been celebrated whethev legal orilleggalcxcept- ing of such persons who haviting found their marriages illckil- had vnluootary sepa rated should he substituted for thhe pream ble adopted by the committee yesterday mr perry did ot like to nccoeso tlie at torney general ofaoy unfair detaigqiiui ho could hanlly help thinking that 1 1 his object was to overthrow tha measure altogether for he said the attorney generaol rru well up to raiding quibbles he mrj p would contend for his own bill becausee ththouso had already got the legislalivto council hound to that bill which they could not therefore now refuse to sauctiooo he did not like that clause of the attoranty gene rals hill which omitted to confirnm the mar riages of persons who had choeen tosepa- ratcit was immoral for a mnnuio ho nl- lowed to marry a woman nod thheo kirk her off at his will and pleasure allmar- riages whatever though not leggally valid were as sacred in the eyes ofif heaven ns though they had been solemomzed by the archbishop of canterbury the attorney general refilled tlhe insinu ation nf mr perry which wnsq grouodles and utterly uniruc he desired pas siocere- ly an thu member that a hill otif die kind now before tho house should heceonsftlasr llodenieil ihnt ihe hill of mr pphfliihmi- cessarily bo passed ugain hy ihtic lzisla- rive cottneii heeause it him bweo psed upon a fonneroefbioii or that in imuho- dy would decline to ps the hillll which he how proposed hicause it differircd iq some respects from the former the auy general ameodmneot w6 put to celebrate the marriage eeremuoy and he conceived that the ameodment of the attorney generals was the best calculated to secure that priociple mr perrys clause was then put aod negatived by a majority of 4 to 1 aod the ameudment of the attorney general was carried by a similar majority when the committee roso reported progress aod ask ed leave to sit agaio on thursday tho house resumed the chairmao reported progressed ask ed leave to sit again oo mouday next on motion made and seconded that the commiiteo of the whole he dispensed with and thai the mnrriago bill ho referred to messrs atty general john willsoumorrisaod fcrry report thereon the motion was lost tho felons council bill was rend a se cond time and referred to a committee of the whole mr shaver io the chair thc house resumed agreeably to order the election bill was read a second time and referred to a com mittee of the whole mr mnron io th chair this bill provides that at future elections votes shall be given by ballot c mr buttt addressed the committee nt some length iu behalf of the bill hut in so low a tono of voice that it was quite im possible fur us lo collect the purport of bis observations mr perry in favour of the hill said that iu ins opinion some alteration in the present mode of conducting elections was highly necessary for bo believed it lo be generally admitted that under the present system an unduo influence wtis frequently exercised willi regard to he principles of the proposed hill that of changing ihe present system of voiing to that of ballot hon member might express their appro- baliod or dissent by voting for or against the preamble when further discussion ro- luivo to thedetailx might he postponed tc fuiure day or the bill might be referred to a select committee- some of tho provi sions of tho hill he objected to particularly thai which fixed only ona place in b coun ty for holding elections he mr p- would huvo thc elections held iu 3 or fi places in each county which would be an accom modation to the public and much less ex pensive to the electots he thought that the principle of the bill that of voting by ballot had already beeo sanctioned hy the house of assembly iu one of ittjtaud- ing rules which required tbat all com mittees of thai house if more than 5 in number should be elected by ballot irhich he thought was a powerful argument io favour of the bill mr mackenzie t said the contemplated chaoge was absolutely uecessary io order to check the overwhelming influence of the executive and the corruption which pre vailed nt elections in this couoty tho greatest corruptiou was practised at the last election for the county which he re presented he nud his bon colleague resolved heforo the election conrnoaced not to treat any body nud ihey didut but mr washburn the clerk of the peace for the couoty who pocketed large sums of the peoples money and who therefore could afford to squander it away liberally kptopen houses and treated every bdcly who would vote for him while he had all the executive influence oo his side be sides having a great number of tho electors in his power against whom he held notes and had suits aod who therefore were ob liged to vote for him mr washburn or ruin their families although twas against tl ir consciences to do so one man came to him mck aod said he was obliged to vote against him but would do what he could to get him mck in nevertheless as he wished him mclvio succeed ma ny other persuos were obliged to vote a- gaittsl their consciences for the same cau ses for people will not vote independently wheo they are in such danger all this might be remedied by voting by ballot he tiaid lord brougham was goiug to bring in a bill for takiog the elections io differ ent places of each county in england which he should for in thi country u well distfwtlimltjotmtp hv wdhbcr lofwahbtj personn many of them rocrehauls who gave extensive credit and who therefore occesaarily possessed great influeoce a- mong the voters and it was equally well known that this influence was almost al ways exercised in favour of what was call ed the government candidates liquor was often giveu away in large quantities at the elections iu tfrii country be had of ten seen barrel after barrel distributed a- mong the electors many of whom wero people of weak minds who were induced to votefor particular candidates merely from being treated io this way he koew too that there were other causes which uudcr the presfol syseir ofieo compelled men to vote contrary to their consciences there was one most respectable man in his county who voted against him mr b who afterwards told htm that he wished him well sod hoped ihat he would bs re turned though he had not voted for him i mr b himself he mr b could only account for this upon the supposition tbat the geotlemnu io question waotcd to per his sons into some public situation as mi litia officers- or to get tbera some post of profit and therefore he dsred not vote for aim nothing was so eminently calculated io do away with an influence of this kind as the measure now before the house and it should therefore have his must hearty concurrence and be should also support the plan of holdiog the elections io differ ent parts of each county the solicitor general was so far from concurring io the opinioa thai tho system of voting by ballot was preferable to that which was now io practice in this country the tiwi voce system was more in accord- iffltka wh tf the geotlemnu in question wanted to get his sons into some public situation as mi litia officers or to get them some post of pro6t and therefore he dared not vote for him nothing was so eminently calculated to do away with no influence of this kind as the measure now before tbe house and it should therefore have his most hearty concurrence and be should also support theplan of holding the elections in differ ent parts of each county thc soluiur general was so far from concurring in the opinioa tbat the system of voting by ballot was preferable to ihat which was nnw in practice in this country the ttuo voce system vras more in accord ance with the institution of the eanpire to which we belonged and more congenial to the manly spirit of the british people aod he would not therefore consent to abandon it iu favour of the underhand and sneaking system of voting by ballot it was a libel upooihe people of upper canada upon respectable people too as had beeo described tosejthat they were so bose as to vote one way and giv their perso nal influence toauoiher aud he was sorry to hear honorable members get up io their places io that house and say that they had constituents of that kind if he the sol gypere lo insult his con stitueuts by maklao assertion of ibat kind he was soro that he should never dare to show bis fare in kingstoo again so long as he lived with regard to whalhad been said about tho influence of the executive over the eleetioos of thisprovince he would confidently assert that it was utterly un founded and uisiooary no influence of that kind he was confident had ever been used or attempted to be used in this coup- try nnd he would defy the hon members who made thc assertion to prove thochargo there was no country in the world in which elections were more free from tolueoco of this kind aud he would therefore oppose the contemplated ionovatioo- mr howard said ho knew thai persons did frequently vote one way when they wished to vote another in the couuly which he represeuted there were a good many peoplo who were deterred from voting as they liked many who voted for him wero mobbed nnd some of them were whipped aud used oiost shamefully there were a goodnany irish emigrants in thalcouoty maayefwhora would have voted for him

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