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an Architect's fees for the pro- posed new police station and magistrate's courts could amgunt to $110,000. : Ald. Charles Mcliveen, chair- man of the parks and property committee; said this last night at a city council meeting, in reply to Con. Robert Nicol. However, if the province took over the running of the courts ~ ARCHITECT'S FEE as indicated in the pre - elec- tion statement, the city would not be in the court business, he said. His motion that architects Halford and Wilson of Oakville be engaged to help select a site for the buildings and design a police station and court house and prepare preliminary draw- ings was adopted. utr Their fees will be charged to the civic property development reserve fund account. SIX PER CENT Ald. McIiveen said the firm's fees would be about six per cent of an estimated charge of $700,000 or $800,000 for the police building, and extra for the magistrate's courts. The S FOR POLICE-COUR fees could be roughly appor- tioned as $50,000 for the police buildings and $60,000 for the courts, and the money had been set aside from the reserve fund of the capital budget for 1967. He said that three firms of architects who had all had ex- perience in this field had been interviewed and the committee then went to look at various police buildings, including two in Toronto, one in Oakville and a new set-up in Hamilton, de- signed by Halford and Wilson: It was then felt this firm were the best and would offer the city the most. The police housed in the build- ing were pleased, and although capital expenditure was high running costs were down and the station could be completely controlled with only two men on at night, whereas formerly six were needed, CELL CONTROL Cells were electronically von- trolled and every door in the police station as well. 'They nc etn T BUILDING MAY HIT $110.000 save a lot of money on day to day running," he added. Although the province might take over the running of the courts there was still a feeling they should be in close prox- imity to the police buildings. Congratulations to the com- mittee were offered by Mayor Ernest Marks, who, as leader of the board of control, saw the sane ryt tng project taken from them by the committee after several months of preliminary work. He said the committee had given up three successive nights to deal with firms of archi- tects and then gave up a {ot of their personal time in looking over the various buildings. "T think they have done an excellent job," he added. SE } SPONETRtaINENNUNROERARI CITY DEBENTURES New Method Saves Money For the first time in city his-|sewers and local improvements) tory Oshawa is financing oa ---- bylaws author- ; lized by council. issue of $1,347,000 debentures Mr. Markson said today in from its own reserve funds. effect the debentures were be- Frank Markson, city treasur-| ing sold to the city of Oshawa's er, said the move would savejreserve funds instead of being the city approximately $100,000) offered in the public market to and had been initiated by him| investment dealers who would because of the high interest) put in bids. rates in the money market. "It means our reserve funds He said the city's reserve) are.invested in the city's deben- funds total $3,000,000 and were| tures," he said. "We have suf- earmarked for various specific) ficient liquidity in our reserve purposes. funds to absorb this issue. Council last night approved a| 'The money in the reserve motion by Con. Frank McCal-|funds has to be available for lum that the action be taken. the purpose assigned, but cash The money is required for|is sitting there which I can in-| construction of pav.ments,|vest in the short term money! ; curbs and gutters, sanitary' market." "ecmeggne PECIAL Official -apsule ce Suit t G.I. Joe. » 11.95 Council Adopts Report On Staff She Times WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 6, 1967 Whiting Snaps Tie Vote | Final Report Requested SuaNeNOae Above a continuing and pre- dictable wail of protest from Con. Margaret Shaw, and com- |plaints of being gagged by a dictatorial chairman from Ald John DeHart, city council last night adopted the interim re- 10 Shuffled Miss L ayoff E.-=s/" | Council was sitting as a com- mittee of the whole, with Ald. Ernest Whiting in the chair, : AS 5 'and he kept debate strictly un- about laying off 25 men owing| partment, such as on the demo-| der control, although there were Nicol S t ¢ | ° eee ie a é |to a change in the winter works/lition of houses for the city, and|other complaints of his handl- 7 , : : ponte ales ing from Ald, Russell McNeill, (@ | ay e I I Ke | : Pl 4 : : | A special meeting between Council's public works com-{remainder of the men could be mittee has had second thoughts|placed in the public works de- {sed anything like it, and Ald |sentatives was held at city hall |Alice Reardon, who said: "we _ |Saturday morning, Ald. Bruce jare moving to a dictatorship." * |Mackey, chairman, reveal | at! AT CITY HALL | Even so Siecaen were det last night's council meeting. ly divided on the issue and a re- One result is that 10 of them| jcorded vote, demanded by Ald. will go over to the parks de-| |John DeHart, showed eight in partment for emplayment/ as! SEY 'nq |favor with eight opposed. Ald. laborers, as from Dec. fter| ... surveyed the aks | Whiting gave a casting vote in being taken off the 'public | around city hall, P, J. ithe affirmative works': payroll on Dec. 8. | Kennedy, parks, property and | fe Council last night approved a} motion to this effect proposed by Ald. Mackey. He said it went without say- ing the committee was concern- ihe onmuttiee sind union Genre who said he had never witnes- |senta s held at city hai| TREE MISSING ROM 23.97 City council members were] Ald, Charles Mcllveen. was startled last night by a sugges-|one of these. He said he thought tion from Con. Robert Nicol/it was too close to the city hall that the city hall and the addi-|if expansion was needed, and tion, not yet completed, might|/Ald. James Rundle said too be out of date in 10 or 15 years|}much time was wasted on con- time, because of the rate the|sideration of developments that city is growing. |fizzled out. "It may be too small," he| 'Let us not make a mistake," said, "if we go into the regional|urged Ald. John DeHart. 'Let area." jus wait and see if it will fit in Council had before it a letter| with the urban renewal scheme from F. T. Developments Ltd., sf ich yr Mhrarg promised for Downsview, saying it had an| Bthare owes binlad out option on the property located] | il ie My ?P ei | ed about keeping the men em- at the southeast corner of King 'hat even if the city did not ployed, but they were also con- Aa 'Miny" ecorders eel switch control. RE 30.00 Oshawa yill not have municipal Christmas tree this year. ALD. WHITING alae o + » Called Dictator recreation commissioner, told | FINAL REPORT The Times, 'and decided it | The public works committee would be unwise to put one jis to come up with a final re- down in the divisions of the vA i ' | t. Approximately 1 up. port as quickly as possible, Ald.|Pattment. J The area south of the new |Charles Mcliveen plated oui iems are being reviewed at the city hall is too cluttered with |that a time limit was set for : trees to permit the raising |Con. Shaw's report and the com-|,,Opening the debate Ald. De- of a large tree there, Mr. | mittee should deal with the mat.|Hart, sald he Had oppessd the Kennedy explained, while the |ter as expeditiously as possible SBOCRAAAT aeain, easel it: Watches F FAMILY candy house from a news- IN STOCK: Magnetic The civic legislative super-|as structure of Oshawa may be injcept all for some major changes to cor-|notice-of-motion procedure. and Queen Streets, and asking AUN the Dian. the. Huahay wa ian itt : \cerned in trying to operate the for an amendment to the zoning 5 g department as economically as f aa i bylaw to permit construction of EXPANSION SWEET DOOR PRIZE FOR WINNER Possible. eine ton a ante tended that this report' should| "To, me it has proved nothing ercial-apartment-office) « ; During the balance of the| % med eS US FODery Sa aed Goad. ONS. ae a comm part We have to expand down- arc a tion work. be a final one, but he had ae a complex on the site. |town and I say it should be! Admiring the "Candy use cream of tartar. This forms | week, and it was hoped in time "However"? Mr. Kennedy |heen over-ruled te the commit-\Shape or form," he added. Just Motek Fischtein, president of|here," declared Con. Nicol. | House" won last night at paper clipping. She made a thick paste which is ap- |to come up with a proposal for| .... «next' year we'll be in \tee. after that he made his dictator- the company, has already out-| Support also came from Con.| the Westmount Home and one for her family last plied to the cardboard |the next council meeting, dis- = position to put one 'up.' 'Ald. Whiting said that in fair- ship claim after Ald. Whiting pany nal ' poe h h ferred| School Association meeting Christmas, and offered to frame and then decorated |cussions would continue with toc s pinenliyay the|S2!d, long speeches were not lined plans to the board of oe pag oye tag th a his nee C| are, left, Mrs, I. P. Patter- donate this one to the West- with assorted Christmas |the unions as to how the! wine y hisaey h ci aie © | needed. toot fot conetrtn en te 22:00): \t0 cle ins aa re fst moutd| son, president of the asso- | mount Home and School candy. Mrs. Taylor spent a | -- duce 'the weport it wazust -ehe|, Con. Shaw said the informa- 009 complex On tne | urchibitibe sacisted by euch' a develop-| ciation, and the winner; Association for a door week making the candy " luce the report in August shelton in her report had come Bien density residential Sorelop- mane y Mrs. Howard Rahme of 101 prize. gap Nagy wetneogaies Sear | ~ ied icing © is a Art Galle Called Vital ou -- acme he competent| tom the cities concerned, and caine Ald. illi Westmount St.. Oshawa. are: make the house o plied in different stages to ry 1 . not her. mat inne downtown sree. Be Mi rig Hcg igs Mrs. Donald Taylor of Osh- cardboard, then mix egg -- give it proper hardening. I was the one alderman who/" «1 went down and saw the PLANNING BOARD q "tt shaaia be urged ahead| 8wa sot the idea for this _ whites, icing sugar and ' (Oshawa Times Photo) _ Fi . psieag hs Flag rail =, cod commisioner of - works Council finally referred the|with all the push we can give| } | For Life In C unit added. . asked him for the letters from question to the planning board|it," he said. | e bed bd y Con. Shaw. made a personal the other cities to. support this after several aldermen had| "Don't cold shoulder develop-| it O 1c1tor p orts attack on Ald. Gilbert Murdoch Poscige ad and he did not voiced misgivings over the pro-jers like these in the interests) ' The Art Gallery of Oshawa|Oshawa have art galleries, he/after he had described her re-| "when we are dealing with posal. of plans we don't yet know of." will not be a closed corporation| Said. 'The cultural things .../port as "meaningless." these suilllons of delines 1 weal e for artists but will also be for|2"@ Sadly lacking around here.| "I am not satisfied with thej/lire to see something in s | sae i Surely these other cities are}manner in which it was pre- writing," she added. E ] H | oar OUI 1Cl ower those who just want to look at|/not superior to Oshawa." pared," he said, "but I am ; | y mp oyees onore | ] art, E. C. Prince, chairman of} Mr. Prince came directly tojsatisfied that the interim re-|CLARIFICATION | the gallery's board of trustees,|the point saying that while crit-|port is a logical and sensible ag ~~ ed surprised, ~ " " | ' .|told a Kiwanis Luncheon at the|ics and people interested in art|approach to a reply." said, by the interim report, ; | : Pgh a ge wpe sere ay api es ag pn(Hotel Genosha yesterday. may talk in cultural terms, "a rie is all prieay and proper|the general public of Oshawa @ars r ore ervice s spe ta | appropriate study committee "It is a sad commentary on|buck is a buck", He indicatedjin his legal approach here," -- like a little more clarifi- : Prueee. dees | 7% ; ; | sey - "4y;|community. life,' Mr. Prince|the co-operation and sincere|said Con. Shaw, '"'but I will/cation. Framed long service certi-ymonths; Mrs. Madge Lindsay, rect oie a ERR Pe eggs og rd gy Ellen hile rte bel _ said, "that up to this date we|support, of all citizens was'take a bite out of him as well.| "I brought in a full report in ficates and $50 bonds were pre-|social service department. in-|.,°" idea was tossed to board 'who does what?" and when, |lated to new. business. be re-|aven't had an art gallery." He/needed. | "He is such a brilliant man|the weeks I was given to do it," sented to 13 city employees at|io,.; 35 Ad Gentian: of control yesterday that is , : ™ \terred to. city. council_-and| Pointed out that statistics show| The art gallery was likenedibut he might learn a lot from)she added, "and I am not happy the council meeting last night. erviewer, $9 years, ©) months; tbasically aimed at investing) VALUABLE TIME pertad: out 4hers |the population of this area will|to a 'puny infant" which had|my report. He is like many|about the answer. I do not Mrs. Elizabeth Hobbs, widow|obert Pierson, superintendent,|city council with an exclusive) He says valuable time {s\" As it now is, some construc-|@ouble in the next two decades|been given an "edifice" by|lawyers = he can only see one|think I will ever get a true re- of the late fire chief Raymond|Union cemetery, 31 years, six right to first-hand previews of spent by standing committees, |, /0° liens Ravae ck ss is Fi and cultural development is|Ewart McLaughlin but neededjside of the case." |port. Hobbs, was also presented with|months; Russell Lloyd Clark,|new items of civic business. sub-committees and board of unell Sine. ice eee ted just as necessary as retail or) 'foster parents -- the people of : She said that letters she had similar mementoes to com-|public works maintenance, 30) Behind the theory is city soli-|control that sometimes veer off| 14 dropped. by sdsiine ales commercial development. | Oshawa" if it was going to sur-/ FACT SECTION ee received from other municipal- memorate the 37 years, seven|years; Nelson Winacott, public/citor H. J. Couch, who is work-\the course of normal proce-| je niet which Mr. Couch|__Other cities the same size as' vive. | Controversy had centerediities since the report went in months' service he gave to the|works maintenance, 30 years,|ing with the board in a current)dure by considering unrelated]. v. takes dhe nna sina - RRS ia SPER 5 Gs GRID: ----__--__--_---- jaround item one on ig ca ded that "'T will come out tuhed erate city, two months; Thomas age study to determine what pow-|but often potential new points) ¢i5,. 1 : - s tagger Pace out ete ge eo sini rage "pag dss The fire department had the|fire department captain, 29/ers the 11-month-old legislative|of business. eee ; : | Pl W ll C d ae, ©. Shay d 2 by Ald. mm Zoom. 1.5 lens. seanaeil sna eene tatt6n, led bylyears, six months; Ernest|body should have. If a civic politician has an, ar bageade paid chee anners ] onsl er is not factually correct, gene to endorse the Shaw report re- Fire Chief Ernest Stacey and|Stacey, fire chief, 28 years, one) But in his presentation yes-jidea, Mr. Couch said, he might| mid vise-and recommend, -. Ne es a basis of comparison which|ceived and filed while the de- jatic threading right |. COMPARE $150.00 has little or no effect." partment continued its review y snow. For spray- s, wreaths, . RE 79c seven other firefighters. Chairman of the social serv- ices committee, Ald. Gordon Attersley, who made the pres- entations, said it was the city's custom to mark 25 years of service or more by employees or retirees, in this way. "We thank them for their in- dustry and energy on behalf of the City of Oshawa," he said. "They have made the duties of their department heads much lighter and been of great assis- tance." month; Clarence Cox, tax col-|terday he went a step further|be better off taking it directly lector, 28 years, eight months; William Murray, deputy chief, fire department, 26 years, three months; Leo Smith, captain, fire department, 26 years, two months; Oscar Thompson, pla- toon chief, fire department, 25 years, two months; Arthur Tuson, captain, fire depart- ment, 25 years, one month. Congratulating the recipients, Mayor Ernest Marks said that any employer who retained the services of employees for 25 by suggesting that council act'to council for a full airing. It Former Resident Called "Father Of Modern Ajax" AJAX (Staff) -- George W.|shell filling plant, he was ap- Ontario County, who has bpen| housing in the area by Central called the "father of modern| Mortgage and Housing Corpor- ISPECIFIC JOB Mr. Couch suggested the spe | cific |3-2 on whether i jall committee council. In minority v jgaret Shaw and Con. contended the ' nasi i iniatr: |should reserve the reviewing : ; Finley, a former resident of|pointed administrator of the its jurisdiction.|manager of the Ontario Housing| Planning board for approval. |Corporation, presentéd the plans | Nicol |power as one of jal rights. legislative t should review|L-shaped block reports iew, Con, Mar-| board|council last Harry Pullen, to dwelling units for senior citi-| \zens on Normandy Street were Senior Citizen Dwelling | job of every |body could be charted. | | Earlier, the board was split} | Justifying this, Ald. Mackey/of policies was rejected. |said it had been found to give) Con. Robert Nicol pointed out itwo examples, what whereas|that both Con. Shaw and the Con. Shaw's report had said/department had got replies to ( Plans for the erection of anjlong waiting list in the city|there were only 50 employees|the questions they asked but the to contain 30|made up of old people seeking!in the Guelph public work's de-|question was if they were ask- | Con. purpose, development | this type of accommodation. on. Ralph Jones said the|i49, and the relative figures council had already approved) for Kingston were 28 quoted by Robert/4PProved in principle by city|purchase of the land for this|mrs Shaw and 150 actual em- Experts Attend night. The proposal now goes to the, |partment there were in factjing the same questions. ployees. "We were dealing with a de- 'partment of 300 people," he jsaid, "'on a set-up established Pollution Meet in 1965, and maybe that coun-| General Motors, Oshawa is The 13 were: William Holly-|years or more was fortunate. / Ajax", has retired as vice -|ation. | head, public works mainte-| 'It makes me very proud Of|president, industrial develop-| Mr. Finley was responsible|to be able to co-ordinate and} va : pga er a rts at t three-d: nance employee, 39 years, eightithe City of Oshawa," he said. |ment division of Bramalea ode the building of more than|know what is going on. I think|formerly "th Wavee ag Pl El t E ti [tae eer iene ue Shaw Pollution. gad Conterente -------------- solidated Developments Limited.|600 wartime houses north of/everything has to be pyramid-|posed on, the Waverley <Street) BI@CTS LX@CULLVE | report was in existence an or-|called by the Ontario govern- In the nine years he was as-|what is now the Macdonald -|ed to the top," Con. 'Nicol/site, would house 14 one bed-| eB : i sociated with" Staab, Mr.| Cartier Freeway. to aceon: argued, ' and 16 bachelor! H. M. Hooper has been elect-|ganizational report was present-|ment in Toronto. ed president of the Woodview\ed to the committee and two! 'It's part of board > jjand made the submission. . e a abla 4 Rigen ll He said the block, which was} Woodview Club cil knew better what they were|being represented by its two SOLID STATE roam uals The men are Stanley Taylor, accessories. andle design. Positive utton "on-off" switch, e. COMPARE $23.00. ts Only d Specials Council Pays Tribute Finley was responsible for es- date the families of the' men To Late Magistrate Ebbs City council last night ob- served a minute of silence in memory of the tate city mag- istrate, F, S. Ebbs, who died yesterday in Oshawa general hospital. Proposing the observance, Mayor Ernest Marks paid trib- ute to Mr, Ebbs whom, he said, was a fine citizen and an out- standing family man. Council authorized the mayor to send a letter of sympathy on behalf of the city to Mrs. Ebbs. Clitford Pilkey, Oshawa MPP, extended "his deepest sympathy" to the family. He said Mr. Ebbs was a ANNEXATION In 1951 the. city annexed a portion of East Whitby Town- ship and this expanded the city to its present size of 14,000 acres or 21.87 square miles, "man of honor and integrity who was an asset to the judicial system in Oshawa. "At all times he adjudicated the law in terms of fairness and equity to the people and he will be sadly missed." tablishing Bramalea's Industrial! working the DIL plant. Park which now contains 44 in-| Following the war when the dustries situated upon 500)plant was turned over to the acres, occupying buildings total-| War. Assets Corporation, he con- ling more than 3,500,000 square) tinued as administrator and was feet. Mr. Finley will remain|responsible for the building of with the firm as a consultant.| cellars under most of the hous- A resident of Oshawa forjes and their sale to private many years, Mr. Finley was| owners, The influx of industries, in the banking and loan bus-|which meant the continued ex- iness prior to the Second Worldjistence of the wartime town, War. When Defense Industries|were credited by many to his Limited constructed Ajax as a'drive and initiative. tion that it wa but Mr. Couch "definite conflic' recommendation Mr. Couch Meanwhile th at itself contini executive power of the board" countered that|/cause of local opposition. | "These are the type of units |Community Centre. a between the board and commit-|very badly needed in the city,"|tion was conducted by Grant|to the people needed and their and it's a step in the right dl tees in disagreement ov.erjhe added. 'They will be in a/Southwell of that board of cogt | council form a committee to|will also contain a large com-|Eva Pardon, tudy jurisdictional boundaries.;mon room and a laundry. |Mark' Turner, secretary andlust," he went on. "Let us take yi 1 . i study jurisdictional boundaries.|mon proposal Ald.|Mrs. C. E. Hooper was elected|the next logical step and make agriculture. It is the first of it's Con. Shaw raised an objec-)apartments. : dent of ¢ The Waverley Street proposal|Senior Citizen's Club. had been dropped, he said, be-| s "part of the ts" could arise) s. jnice location and served by ajtion department. also suggested|bus route." rol and city e board's look) Supporting the | Other officers 1€S |TJohn DeHart said there was alregistrar. BUSINESS" APARTMENT COMPLEX 13-Storey Downtown Area Building Proposed | Board of cohtrol had a look yesterday at an architect's con- ception of a 13-storey business and apartment building . tenta- tively planned for construction in the downtown area within two years. ' No cost estimatlyis available for the project, planned by An- tathy and Company Holdings Limited of Oshawa. Site of the building would be on the corner of William Street and Simcoe Street North, next to the city's main fire hall. The layout on paper that the board glanced over was sketch- ed by William Saccoccio and plans to date ¢all for these fea- tures: Z --about four and _ one-half floors of stores, service outlets and offices; --two and one - half levels of underground parking (for 160 cars); --stores around the building on, the main floor and an ex- terior promenade; --a top six floors of apartment suites and penthouses. The planned 17,640 square foot site is made up of five prop- erties purchased over the last six years. Three houses have been torn down. Left to go is one commercial building and a duplex. b Plans were submitted to the board by Lloyd Bolahood, head of Realty Management Servic- es, Oshawa, and agent for the developer who has only one problem. In order to square off the About 60 persons attended the| jannual meeting at the city recrea-|responsibilities. are: Albert The building on two floors,|Weir, vice - president; treasurer; CITY ASKED TO TRADE LAND imeetings of council, GM's plant engineer, and W. Woodview|had already begun its review of The elec-|the department with reference . . ittee| A. Woodcock, chief engineer. Te Soe wees Fone Hugh Price - Jones of Gen- eral Motors said today: "I think | it's going to be very valuable rection. I understand thé ° out has been exceptional." \ The conference is being at» tended by 300 delegates from industry, municipalities and |THOROUGH STUDY "Maybe it is because I am) Mrs.lonly a rookie chairman we did) Mrs.!not ask for the report until Aug- kind in Ontario. Jackson Speaks la thorough study of the break- At Optimist Club Donald Jackson, former world's figure 'skating cham- pion, was the guest speaker at last night's meeting of the Osh- awa Optimist Club. site the developer needs a piece of land used by the fire hall adjoining the proposed construc- tion. LAND EXCHANGE Mr. Bolahood: is negotiating an exchange of Anmathy prop- erty on Ontario Street at the rear of the fire hall for the land required on the construc- tion site, Under objections' from Con, Margaret Shaw who doesn't want to "give away' the fire hall property, the board refer- red the matter for study to the social services and parks, prop- erty committees. Mr. Bolahood expects: final plans should be complete next year. The club met at the, Boys' Club, and members were con- ducted on a tour of the build- ing. Mr. Jackson, currently con- valescing back home in Osh- awa, following a sprained ankle sustained recently with the Ice Follies, discussed figure ° skat- ing in general and competition in particular,