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| She Oshawa Times Published by Canadian Newspapers Limited a 1 SS Kittg ot ta Cee He, ene ' T. L. Wilson,. Publisher : SATURDAY, OCT om gage --~ PAGE 4 New Areas of Agreement The Premiers of Ontario and Que- bec this week joined with newspa- permen from the two provinces in discussion of problems of Canadian unity, The seminar was organized and conducted by the newspapers. It delved into national differences, sought solutions and -- most sensi- bly ---- avoided suggesting pat an- sewers. 1 As seems par for the course at- sessions where dialogue is initiated much was said which is left to wide _interpretation. Premier Lesage, for instance, spoke of the possibility of "unity in diversity" for the two provinces, He did not explain how wl this would work except that it may be leading to a better understanding between French and English Can- , | ada, For his part, Premier Robarts | referred to the new heights being ' achieved in Ontario-Quebec co- operation and said "what we really must battle is apathy". Nothing of i sweeping significance can be pinned to such statements. However, an interesting consen- sus rose from the speeches and dis- cussion periods, A strong implica- tion was seen that if the two Can- adian giants (Ontario and Quebec) Well-deserved praise for the gen- eral practitioner came from his col- leagues in medicine at the meeting of the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario. In an era of specialization, the wide-range of re- aponsibilities willingly undertaken by. the competent general practi- tioners can be easily overlooked, Thus, it was fitting that the col- lege brought him to the public spot- light at its convention. The presi- dent of the college noted: "Because it has encouraged grad- The Ostyawer Times . L, WILSON, Publisher a. e ROOKE, Gerserel Manager 4, MeCONECHY Editor The Oshewe Times combining The Oshowe Times testeblished 1871) ond the itby Gozette and Chronicle established 1863) is published daily fundeys end Statutory Helidays excepted) ot C Daily Publish. em Ansociation. The Conodian Press, Audit Bureau bs Cireulation and .the Ontario Provincial Dailies Association. The Canodien Press is exclusively entitied to the use of republication of el! sews despetched in the paper credited to It or te The Associated Press or Reuters, and alto the loco! mews published therein. All rights of special dee petches ore also reserved. 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But through groups from many professions and _ vocations with an endeavor in common meet- ing together, a widening under- standing can develop. "Areas of agreement can grow rather than differences being magnified by dis- tance. Praise Merited By GPs uate education in Ontario for for- eign students, the college must sometimes face criticism when it re- fuses licensure to a foreign gradu- ate with a poor medical undergrad- uate education, even though he has been successful in passing speciality examinations of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Can- ada. But the college must license doctors to do medicine, surgery, ob- stetrics, psychiatry the whole field of practice. It is not surprising that a man whose training and back- ground are judged on reasonable grounds to be inadequate for licen- sure, may yet by virtue of years of specialized training, pass the spec- iality examinations of, for example, the Royal College. "Speciality training does not in itself guarantee good basic medical education and general competence, Nor are those who pass speciality examinations to be regarded as nec- essarily more clever and able than in general practice which requires -- and attracts ---men of outstanding ability, imdeed, prob- lems with practitioners with spec- iality qualifications have helped to influence the college to seek new leg- islation to edal with professional in- ity qualifications have helped to in- fluence the college to seek new legis- lation to deal with professional in- competence." doctors Te PN We QUEBEC EDITORS' COMMENT a This is a selection of edi- torials on current topics, translated from the. French- language press of Canada, Quebec Le Soleil--As_ Pre- mier Lesage's tour of the West continues, it becomes obvious that its principal merit will be to awaken in these prov- inces far removed from the French-Canadian honeland of Quebec a better comprehen- sion of the bicultural nature of the Canadian nation. No, he won't convince his audi- ences. just like that of the soundness of all. Quebec claims. The important thing -Is that he has raised the ques- tion with them In some piaces--the ries, for example--there coolness, in others British Columbia iasm The Prairie provinces \ large minorities, many 4 them from central Fi This makes them the least homogence inces of Canada. They the nee or unit strongly Biculturaiism for ther ; opens the gates I t turalism, which woule the region a mosai tionalities. Hence sive reaction, rallying a the English langua aS a : fier of various es i Bul the Prairie culd un derstand that thers | where in Canada, | Prai- was as have of overt. eee gem pro ad of their def ound a rise history gives itetongtish and French 0 waren oer REE MIR the-opposite--adding a 'Secor OSHAWA PROFILE Role Of Returning Officer Taken In Stride By Conant By RON DEVANEY of The Oshawa Times Staff Federal elections present end- less problems in administration. So we have the Canada Elections Act. & Administrators are needed for the 265 ridings across the coun- try. So we have Riding Return- ing Officers. In Ontario Riding, that man is Roger Gordon Conant of Greenwood, Between now and Election Day, and even after, he- will solve virtually hundreds of big and small problems with the aid of his '"bible"--the Act. STAFF RECRUITED Lining up staff is a big prob- lem. Enumerators, returning officers and poll clerks, revision officers. And his own small staff at his Whitby headquarters, Voters lists have to be printed and checked, revision courts set up, advance polls planned, Mr. Conant has to be ready to go anywhere in the riding to answer questions, explain pro- cedures And then there Night. "It will be hectic," he says with a smile, But there is neith- er resignation nor concern in his voice. He likes the work, His profession is law and this training no doubt helps. All. riding returning officer appointments are made by the Cabinet. Mr, Conant's came through last December, The first thing he did was to resign his office as vice-president: of the federal riding Liberal Asso- ciation. "IT must be completely impar- tial,"' he said. "My job is to see is Election that the election runs smooth- ly." (Riding returning officers may not vote, except in the un- likely event of a tie vote.) FATHER PREMIER His position as returning offi cer is just one manifestation of his interest in politics. And the interest came early. First Word Of 'His. late father, Gordon D, Conant, was Premier of On- tario '(1942-43) and Attorney General from. 1937 to 1942. One of Roger Conant's child- thood memories is of the crowds of people waiting to see his father on Sunday mornings at the family home in Oshawa, His mother, who still lives in the. family home, is a daughter of the late Senator Ernest D. Smith who was appointed by Robert Borden in 1908, His wife, Frances Allan Conant, is the daughter of a former member of the provin- cial parliament for West York-- J. P. Allan, In " addition, the first Roger Conant was governor of Massa- chusetts back in the 1600's, So the question was natural, Will he ever run for office? "To say that I'm not interested would be hypocritical,' he said, "I might be tempted' in the future when the children (Allan, 14, and Armand, 12) are more independent, "The family comes first, And if I never try it I'll have no regrets. I suppose I can't be belligerent enough. I tend to see both sides of an issue, | guess my jaw training is responsible." Roger Conant was born in May, 1922, in the family home here in Oshawa at the corner of Wentworth and Simcoe strets, "Tt was surrounded by apple orchards, and we had a barn and chickens," he remembered, "T used to take the street car down Simcoe to Port Oshawa, and up to Centre Street (now E. A. Lovell) public school." He is the youngest of three children. Genevieve, a_ sister, died in 1937. Douglas, now 51, is secretary-treasurer of the fam- ily-owned (on their mother's side) E. D. Smith jam company. Roger went to Oshawa (now O'Neill) Collegiate. A top stu- dent, he won the Murray John- ston cane as outstanding boy in his final year, Graduation Received When In Normandy He went to University of To- ronto, graduating (1944) "'in ab- sentia" as he puts it, in Arts. His first word of his graduation was received in Normandy, France, He arrived with the first re- inforcements, three days after the initial landing.. He served with a British unit, the South Wales Borderers, Later he was wounded and in- valided home. He did personnel work at Manning Depot in To- ronto, He held the rank of Cap- tain, It was 1947 before he got to law school and three years later he began to practise in Ajax. His father, who had been ap- pointed Master of the Supreme Court at Osgoode in 1943, re- signed in 1951 to practise with his son in Oshawa. Three years later his father died of cancer and Roger got a partner to run the Oshawa olf- fice and he returned to Ajax The practice was split and he was on his own-for a few years before he picked up another partner, Finally, he sold out the practice and went into labor and corporation. law, He remembers: the years in Ajax as happy ones. '"The com- munity, was small, . filled with veterans, some still in school, and university graduates." He 'threw himself into com- munity life, neipink organize a Rotary branch, a. hospital, church. He was the first deputy reeve in-Ajax, He was presi dent of the Ajax Liberal Asso- ciation He also helped buy the local tne tg AA .. ON freien tte hydro system and sat as chair- man of the Ajax Hydro Com- mission, "Tt was all challenging, inter- esting and vital,' he says 'to- day, Mr. Conant put a uniform on again, in 1961. He was posted to Oshawa, in charge of recruiting. He was in about a year before resigning to go to the head office (in Toronto) of the Canadian Manufacturers Association as manager of their legal depart- merit and industrial relations. Injthe spring of 1964 he went to Honeywell Controls Limited as manager of personnel and in- dustrial relations. He is on leave from this job now. In 1963, Mr. Conant built a house in Greenwood on 2% acres, This is home for the boys and his wife whom he married in 1946. "T met my wife at a 'come- single-go-ho me-double' dance when I was in my second year at U-of T."' They were married in 1946, Mrs. Conant, who is a Con- servative, calls both the mar- riage and the political differ- ence "democracy in action', When speaking of his life and future plans,-Mr,-Conant_ often uses the term "'we"', -It-is not the so-called "royal we". mean- ing 'me', It is an almost unconscious inclusion of his wife in the con- versation whether or not she is m the Mr, Conant same seems to have little time for hobbies. He reads a lot, both from necessity and for pleasure, He -gets out- doors for sailing (summer) and skiing (winter), owt rae RR Nt eM TOUR BY LESAGE Fore _It's Youth Of West Who Seek Comprehension ign investment may carry to be the voices of a truly tongue to one's matérmat-tan- our _commercial--deficit- from. bicultural nation, To give the guage and having. wide hori- day to day, but itimately our minorities of the Prairies all zons from a cullural point of economy is living on credit, . .. their school rights does not View is a source of personal ldentical thoughts apply to threaten to shake up the proy- enrichment and a. practical Quebeg, When Mr, Lesage tells inces, It rather brings them step toward the country's Weste separation for Que- fully inte Canadian bicultural- unity bec S$ "economic impossi- ism, one of this country's hall- In brief, it is the privilege bili he is stating the' ob- marks, and hardens them of the Orange lodges to ob- viol& If Quebec had to set against Americanization ject to the type of inquiry on up her own international or Contrary. to the, tendency in bilingualism and _ bicultural- interprovincial accounts, her Quebec, it seems to be the ism, but it remains that these balance of payments would be youth of the West who seek are two ways of creating har- even more deeply in the red comprehension and -want to mony in Canada. To object to than Ottawa's. For a handful build a Canada thal recog- them is the same as wanting of primary industries provide nizes two historic nationalities dissension and even separa almost all Quebec exports, on solider foundations. This is tion, Such. an ambition is not and we are dependent on the an® encouraging sign. . . . surprising on the part of a exterior for everything else, (Sept. 30) Fi sectarian and fanatical group. from food and clothing to Didn't it act in the same manufactured products Ottawa Le Droit---The white way during the Ontario elec- Even if separatism were to horse has again taken the bit lions, opposing the party then become politically desirable-- in its teet The Grand Orange in power because it some- something it is not now--it ol.odge of Canada has sent a times showed fairness toward would remain economically resolution to ne Minister the-France-Ontarians with re- impossible Pearson and the leaders of the gard to education? The fiasco And collaboration between othe olitical parties asking of its campaign at that time Ottawa and Quebec is abso- for abolition of the royal allows one .to be skeptical lutely necessary to guide and ommission . on bilingualism about the result. of this one on boost the productive activity and biew sn the fede level, and about of the population. Neither Que- alt of th the importance of this associa- bec 'nor Ottawa can do it 1 are ¢ tion. The only danger is that alone ea Wea the loud cries of a very feeble Happi this convergence of a minority. may cover up the Otfawa and Quebec efforts in ' rhis alse principle voice of good sense of the "the economic field is taking A h leads automatically great majority, Gerard more and more precise shape. ' orre onclusion, Bernier (Sept. 27) And governments are getting I , no top one dynamic support from those m 0 g an exeelient Cana- Quebec L' Action 7 involved, In Quebec especially, " r eS - country like Canada an immense effort of economic 4.000.000 trade hoprht taki lace, so mont! she suffe Rg annot asily be sum } nna ndranee to an imbalance which no up mari ; sp i Pare.. Canadian citizenship, Quite surge of prosperity can hide, (Sept, 29) vy nrMaRTNE Tet CANADA'S STORY Sifton Saved Yukon By BOB BOWMAN During the Klondike gold rush, Sir Clifford Sifton was Minis- ter of the Interior for Cahada, In 1897.he was. busy organiz- ing the greatest immigration drive Canada had ever seen. There were recruiting offices in many parts of the world, In the midst of this work came a diversion that sent him rush- ing to Skagway. Owing to the Alaska boundary dispute, Can- ada did not have access to the Yukon from the Pacific. There was not only the gold to be considered, but businessmen in Vancouver and Victoria were competing with those of Seattle and San Francisco for trade avait i mn i RQGER GORDON CON SRN L soem T Pram with the booming gold mining area, Sir Clifford took the govern- ment steamer Quadra to Skag- way, where he landed on Oc- tober 9, 1897 and went right into the area to see for himself. His party included NWMP officer Major Walsh who had kept Sit- ting Bull and his followers under control when they sought refuge in Canada, Early in 1898 Sir Clifford was told that the U.S.A was assembl- ing a military force in Portland, Oregon, and was planning to send it to control the passes to the Yukon, He sent secret or- ders to NWMP officers to get there first and establish posts at the summits of the passes. This was done in the bitter win- al Pet LM Mo en vn HEN 'Triumph Of Ending Battle To Despair Of Settlement By ARGH MacKENZIE WASHINGTON (CD) --_ Initial satisfaction here 'with the vir- tual end of the fighting in the undeclared war between India and Pakistan has given. way to concern over the steep barriers to any permanent settlement. The inflexible attitude of the combatants, particularly India, is producing some signs of irri- tation. The United States is being vague about the future of its huge aid and military programs for India and Pakistan, Military supplies have been cut off en- tirely. The same misgivings are be- lieved here to be felt in Can- ada, Britain, West Germany and perhaps other countries that have helped India and Pak- istan, ; In turn, India and Pakistan are impatient with any position that smacks of fence-sitting in judging the bitter Kashmir. is- sue. Canada's statement re- cently to the United Nations regarded as non-commital and inoffensive 'by Canadian diplo- mats -- drew private criticism from both Pakistan and India, it is understood here. 'There are two main ways of altacking the current impasse, neither easy One is a direct push to set up talks between the two countries, ter days of February and get- ting there first probably saved the Yukon for Canada. The American military force did not leave Portland, OTHER EVENTS ON OCT 9: 1682 -- Frontenac and Duches- ne recalled to France owing to differences 1820 -- Cape Breton annexed to Nova Scotia' (had: been sep- arated 1784) 1838 -- Lord Durham resigned as Governor of British North America. 1873 -- Sir John A Macdonald wrote letter re CPR. bribery charge 1899 opened 1918 -- Canadians played lead- ing part in battle of Cambrai -- Soulanges Canal TODAY IN MOST SATISFACTION FOUND IN ONT. ON PEARSON AS PM HISTORY By THE CANADIAN PR Oct. 9, 1965... Sir Wilfred Grenfell, the founder of the first medical mission to Labrador's out- ports, died 25 years ago to- day--in 1940--at his retire- ment home on Lake Cham- plain, Only 27 years old when the mission started, Grenfell treated 900 patients in his first two months, His bravery, and the need of the outport' people, led to the foundation of the Interna: tional Grenfell Association to sponsor the hospital and children's home at St, An- thony on the northern tip of Newfoundland. 1514--Louis XII of France married Princess Mary of England, 1867 -- Russia formally handed over Alaska to the United States. First World War Fifty years ago today--if 1915--Belgrade fell. to the Austrian army for the. sec- ond time in a year; Lalian forces sustained an attack on the Isonzo front; a Brit- ish detach ment captured Wumbiagas, in. the German African colony of the Cam- eroons, Second World War Twenty-five years ago to- day--in 1940--the first draft of 29,750 Canadians reported for compulsory military training; General de Gaulle was in Duala, French Cam- eroons, to set up the Free French--standard:--German fighter bombers. ranged over England in "nuisance" raids. Oct, 10, 1965... First World War Fifty years ago today--in 1915 --- the Allies estimated German casualties at about 7,500 in a week of fighting at. Lons:; Frencl forces at- tacked again at Souchez, Second World War Twenty-five years ago to- jay--in 1940 it was an- nounced the high altar of St. Paul's Cathedral had been destroyed by an air raid; Sqn, Ldr.. Ernest Me- Nab, commander of No, 1 RCAF Squadron, and two of hiss pilots were decorated; President Roosevelt froze $100,000,000 of: Romanian funds as. the German. garri- son in that country built up, BIBLE Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise:-be thankful unto him, and bless his name, Psalm 100:4. Thanksgiving is more tian a lime for turkey dinners and family reunions, Te have real meaning, Thanksgiving must be a time of solemn reflection upon the gifts of God and a time of gratitude to God for all of His benefits. By THE CANADIAN INSTITUTE OF PUBLIC OPINION (World 'Copyright Reserved) As the election campaign goes into: high gear, more people are satisfied with the leadership of Prime Minister Lester Pearson than are dissatisfied, But a large proportion of the voters -- nearly three- subject. in-ten -- are undecided on the _ About four-in-ten (41 per cent) of the people express satisfaction with Mr. Pearson as Prime Minister and just more than three-in-ten (33 per cent) say they are dissatis- fied .with his leadership, In a comparable survey, the situation was John Diefenbaker. election, Minister, made just prior to the 1963 reversed for the then Prime Also with a minority govern- ment at that time, more people (42 per cent) disapproved of Mr. Diefenbaker as Prime Minister than approved (34 per cent), Greatest approval for Mr. Ontario voters -- 47 per cent, for Mr. Diefenbaker in 1963 per cent, The question: Pearson today comes from And greatest disapproval also came from Ontario -- 47 "Are you satisfied or dissatisfied with Mr, Pearson ag Prime Minister?" Mr. Pri Satisfied Dissatisfied No Opinion Regionally, least enamored with Mr 1963 Diefentaker as ¥ : me Minister Prime Minister TODAY 34% 41% 42 33 4 26 100%, 100%, Pearson as Prime Minister of Canada are western voters. The Maritimes and Quebec see pretty much. alike on this subject. Total Satisfied Dissatisfied No Opinion et YEARS AGO 25 YEARS AGO Oct. 8, 1940 Norman H. Daniel was. ap- pointed commanding officer of the Oshawa Civil Guard, to suc- ceed Col. Frank Chappell who was appointed to a military post at London. Frances Gage, Kathleen Annie Helen Stephens, Betty Shoychet and Evelyn Swartz of the OCVI, put on a fine demonstration of sketching and sculpturing for the benefit of Oshawa Rotary Club members at their lunch- eon meeting 40 YEARS AGO Oct. 9, 1925 James E,. Thompson, Arn- prior, succeeded the late Judge T. A. McGillivray as senior judge of the County Court of the County of Ontario and local judge of the High Court: Divi- sion of the Ontario Supreme Court, Wilf McKay won the championship and R. Wilson, the junior title, scoring 23 and 26 points resgectively out of a possible 33, at the Oshawa High School Track and Field Meet. senior East Quebec Ontario West 40% 42% 47% 34g 25 22 33 43 35 36 20 23 100% 100%, 100% 100% ha Ge al POINTED PARAGRAPHS The distance a person has to go to borrow is getting shorter all the time. Some believe the United Na- tions is worth maintaining be- cause it serves as a sounding board: for international policies and attitudes, and others say this sounding-board only ampli- fies international discords, "Bride of Week Tries to Poison Husband." --Headline This kind of behavior isn't con- ducive to a happy honeymoon But India declines even to ¢eon- cider » nolitical solution for dl- vided Kashmir, The alternative is an approach that would bring about talks on a gradual basis, but this is re garded as a difficult: and 'ei. cate procedure, INDIA CONFIDENT ~ As seen here, has emerged from the fighting with Pakistan and the latest brushes with. China on the. northern frontier with a bouncy, new- found confidence, This is in con- trast with the sense of national humiliation evident after the 1962 fighting with China, So far," nobody here, at the United Nations, or elsewhere has come up with @ course of action which holds out much hope of success right now, U.S. frustrations are indi- cated in an acid editorial in the Washington Post, The Post mourns the blow to economic progress in India and Pakistan and the threat to more aid which their actions are deemed to present, The Post calls India's refusal contribute toward costs of the UN observer mission: an "act of egocentric, astigmatic, self-centred, self - righteousness that infuriates everyone else," The United States is making no effort so far, to play the role of chief peace-maker, but two questions preoccupy U.S, ob- servers as they ponder the fue ture of the Asian subcontinent, TWO QUESTIONS One concerns the future di- rection of each country: Will Pakistan become increasingly friendly with China? Is India, as now seems to be the case, more convinced than ever that the Soviet Union is its only true friend? The other is the degree of provocation that the situation is giving India to make its own nuclear weapons, in the hope of matching China and ° warning Pakistan, Observers here say it is natural to assume that India is thinking a lot more about it. China became the fifth nu- clear country a year ago. But a decision by India to join the ranks of nuclear powers would be a much more serious blow to hopes of limiting those ranks. India has been regarded as a country outside of--almost im- mune to--the arms race, and more concerned with economie than military development, If India falls into the nuclear ranks, people here ask, can Pakistan, Indonesia, Dwrael, the United Arab Republic and other countries with the wherewithal be far behind? An estimated 20 countries, in- cluding Canada, could build the bomb within three years, U.S nuclear authorities have mated, ACCORDING TO BOYLE... By HAL BOYLE NEW YORK (AP)--Things a columnist might never know if he didn't open his mail: Teen + age marriages are from two to four times as likely to wind up in diveree as marriages by those in their 20s, Worried about fallout? . Some research- ers think its effects can be minimized by taking vitamin B, calcium, hormones and antiobiotics, Prosperity note: Breathing Is said to be about the only free thing left... . However, it now costs about $600 or $700 for a baby to take its first breath. . . . That's the average price for being born today in the United States, Animal lovers will be pleased to know that rodeos are getting safer. ... At one time up to five per cent of the livestock performers in such shows were hurt. . .. Thanks to -2 more humans -- code, the figure has been cut to a tenth of one per-eent, Quotable notables: "A gos- sip is one who talks to you about others; a bore is one who talks to you about him- and a. brilliant 'conver. sationalist is one who talks te you about yourself,"--Singer Lisa Kirk. lo radioactive si self What's in a name? . wu Mr. Smith moved to 'Ger many, he'd be Schmidt. . . . In Russia he'd be known Kuzentzov, in Poland Kowal, in Italy Ferraro, in Bulgaria Kovac, in' Hungary Kovars, in France Lefevre. . . . And in England, if he were trying to forget the fact that one of his ancestors was a_ black- smith, he might call himself Smythe Gordon W. Riehl CA, RLA , Oshawa Whitby DELOITTE, PLENDER, HASKINS & SELLS with whom are now merged MONTEITH, RIEHL, WATERS & CO, Chartered Accountants Montreal Oshawa Toronto Hamilton Windsor Winnipeg Regina Calgary Edmonton Prince George Vancouver Oshawa Shopping Centre Brock Building Burt R. Weters, CA, 728.7527 668-6131