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The Oshatwa Times Published by Canadian Newspapers Limited 86 King St. E., Oshawa, Ontario T. L. Wilson, Publisher THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 28, 1963---PAGE 6 Fiscal Debate Deserves Nation's Full Interest Prime Minister Pearson has in- dicated his government's willing- ness to negotiate a completely new system of tax-sharing with the provinces, if that seems necessary, and in doing so has shown a re- freshing open-mindedness. It is a pity that some of the provincial representatives at the federal-pro- vincial conference do not show the same willingness to make reason- able adjustments in fixed programs. Every government wants more revenue, of course, but not every government understands that the sources of revenue are limited. In one way or another every tax dollar must come out of the in- dividual's pocket -- and that pocket does not contain a limitless supply of dollars. Revenue is the over-riding issue at the conference. Premier Lesage of Quebec is making harsh demands, and if the federa] government ac- cedes and the other provinces in- sist on similar deals, the federal revenues will be sharply reduced. That means, of course, that the federal commitments must be sharply reduced -- that, or a swift slide on the inflationary toboggan to bankruptcy, or a drastic and crippling increase in taxes. Mr. Pearson is in a difficult and unhappy position, and we would hate to have to predict how he may resolve it. Ontario and Manitoba, though citing the need for more provincial revenues, have indicated approval of the present scheme, which allows the provinces to levy their own in- come taxes by rates equal to a federal abatement of 17 per cent this year, rising to 20 per cent in 1966, and gives the provinces about 22 per cent of the corporation in- come tax field and half the death duties. Alberta's position is still not clear. But all the other provinces want changes. Quebec and British Columbia in particular have taken extreme positions. The Atlantic provinces are dead set against any proposal to have Ottawa vacate the major tax fields. The fiscal debate has as much bearing on Confederation at the bicultural debate. The proceedings in Ottawa deserve our full attention. It's One Or The Other Health Minister Judy LaMarsh told the Canadian Conference on Health and Smoking this week that the federal government has allo- cated $600,000 for research and for an anti-tobacco campaign aimed at youngsters. A committee, includ- ing representatives of the tobacco industry, is being established to plot a program for spending the money and it will be submitted to the federal and provincial govern- ments for approval. Miss LaMarsh said $400,000 will go to the educa- tion phase -- aimed at stopping young people from smoking before they ever start -- and the other $200,000 to research. Before Miss LaMarsh becomes too involved in this crusade, will she discuss the question with her col- leagues, the Minister of Revenue, the Minister of Agriculture -- if she can catch the latter between bouts of auctioneering -- and the Minister of Trade and Commerce? The other ministers, too, are deeply involved in the tobacco ques- tion. The agriculture department does a great deal to make sure that the tobacco farmers earn a profit on their labor; the revenue depart- ment relies on the tobacco industry tor well over $400-million a year; and trade department envoys have been busy trying to sell Canadian tobacco to foreign countries. We do not hold any brief for tobacco, although we use it: in quantity with considerable pleasure. But we would like to see the federal government make up its mind, and thereby save us a little money. If Miss LaMarsh is in the right, the agriculture department should end its assistance to the tobacco farmers, the trade department should quit trying to sell the stuff to be consumed by foreign youngs- ters, and the revenue minister should get together with the finance minister to find another source of revenue. But. if the ministers of agriculture, trade, ete., intend to continue their encouragement of tobacco growing and selling, Miss LaMarsh should refrain from tos- sing away our money on lost causes. For once, let us have some sense in public spending. Employment Figures A quarter of a million more Cana- dians were employed in October of this year than in October of 1962, according to estimates just released by the Dominion Bureau of Statistics. If later reports sub- stantiate the estimates and government officials admit the fig- ures are so good that there is a possibility of sampling error -- it will have been the greatest year- to-year employment increase since the rise of 258,000 between March 1955. and March 1956. Another optimistic note is that while there is usually a drop in total employ- ment from September to October, this year the number of persons with jobs went up by 11,000 to a total of 6,576,000. However, there are qualifying She Oshawa Times T. L. WILSON, Publisher C. GWYN KINSEY, Editor The Oshowa Times combining The Oshawa Times (established 1871) and the Whitby Gazette and Chronicle (established 1863) is published daily (Sundays and Statutory holideys excepted). Members of Canadian Daily .Newspaper Publish- ers Association. 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Other and th Countries 15.00, USA. end 'ees 24.00. 4 factors in the October-to-October improvement. For one thing, there was an unexpected increase in the number of youngsters leaving school to enter the labor force; the increase in the number. of. job- seekers in the 14-19 years age group was 57,000, more than double the 25,000 expected increase. For another, the rise in employment was mainly among women, who went back into the labor force, and mainly in the service industries rather than in the production in- dustries. In other words, despite the current improvement, there re- mains the long-term problem of creating new jobs fast enough to keep up with the labor force in- crease. The country still faces an explosive growth in the. work force, due mainly to a 50 per cent increase through the rest of the 1960s in the 15-25 years age group. Between now and 1971 there will be more than a million new job-seekers from this one source. Bible Thought When I say unto the wickea, thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not. warning, nor speak- est to warn the wicked from his wicked way to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity but his blood will I require at thine hand. -- Ezekiel 17:9. The answer to "What's the use?" We are our brothers' keeper. \ eat tld itd pes ' es ie a ng "t th A ose ati i C4 6a er SS hai Nf a in) i ii p, SANTA CLAUS PARADE YOUR HEALTH Organ Transplants Now Misunderstood By JOSEPH G. MOLNER, M.D, Dear Dr. Molner: Would it be possible for female organs to be removed from one person and transplanted in another who has had a hysterectomy, so the lat- ter could have a child? The sec- ond person I have in mind is under 40 and already had had three children, but she recently underwent a hysterectomy. MRS. V. ¢ It may be possible but as yet 1 am not aware of this having been done, From letters I re- ceive I am aware that there is a great deal of interest and misunderstanding about the transplantation of organs. We read about a kidney being transplanted, but fail to realize GALLUP POLL that this happens most usually from one twin to another, or from one close relative to an- other. oe We read aboui "eye banks, but do not notice that an entire eye never has been successfully transplanted, but only the cor- nea, a very small part of the covering of the eyebail. We read or hear about skin being "grafted," without notic- ing that if skin is grafted, say, from a person's leg to an arm, the skin will remain permanen- tly. But if skin is taken from one person and grafted to an- other, it remains for only a matter of days or a few weeks, ard then sloughs off. Organs cannot be trans- Fever Canadians Back UN Seat For Red China The Canadian Institute of Public Opinion (World Copyright Reserved) Among Canadians who know Communist' China is not a member of the United Nations, a steady decrease is noted in those who think she should be a member. Today 53% say Red China should have a place in the U.N_; five years ago, 57% were in favor of seating her in the world organization. Those with university educa- tion are not only best informed By Total Has 8% Has Not 53 Don't. Know 39 100%, To all those who were aware that Red China was not a mem- ber nation of the U.N., a fur- ther question was asked: Total Should have seat 53% Should not 35 No opinion 12 100%, on Red Ohina's status, but also most in favor of giving her a seat, with 62% believing she should be 4 member of the United Nations. More than hali the people in Canada (53%) are now aware that Red China has no seat in This is an mecrease over tive years ago when less than half (48%) said she was not a U.N. member. The questions: "De you happen to know whether Communist China has or has not a seat in the United Nations?" Public High School School 8% 9% 37 57 55 34 University 3% 82 15 100%, 100%, 100%, "Do you think Communist China should or should not be given a seat ia the United Nations?" Public High School School University 51% 51% 62% 36 : 30 13 100%, 100% BY-GONE DAYS 30 YEARS AGO November 28, 1933 The Oshawa Boy Scout Asso- ciation collected used toys and repaired them for distribution among needy families at Christ- mas. George Hart presented to the Sons of England a. gavel made from oak taken from a beam of an English church which was over 500 years old A reception was tendered Rev W, A. Nisbet, BA, new pastor of Calvary Baptist Church, and Mrs. Nisbet A large number of- Oshawa and district' veterans of the 116th Battalion attended its an- nual reunion held in Toronto Oshawa Welfare officials re- quested that local unemployed men be given a share of the work on highways. Capt. C. Churchill Mann was injured when his horse fell on him after a difficult jump at the Horse Show of the Royal Winter Fair. ? ' Miss Winona Armstrong of Oshawa graduated with honors from the Hospitai for Sick Chil- dren, Toronto. A plaque was unveiled in Trin- ity United Church, Toronto, in memory of Oliver Hezzlewood, formerly well-known Oshawa 'citizen and layman of the Unit- ed Church of Canada. Che Oriental Textile Company plant and equipment was sold to the Collins and Aikman Co, of Pennsylvania and Quebec. The machinery was dismantled and removed from the local fac- tory. Margaret Griffin of St. Greg- ory's Separate School won first prize, Virginia May Robson of 'King Street School, was placed second, and Beatrice McLean of Mary Street School, third, in a "fire pmevention" essay contest in-Oshawa pubiic schools Clifford Palmer was' elected president of the Oshawa Kins- men Club. planted from one person to an- other and remain there, because the body has the protective ability of rejecting anything which is strange to it. With identical twins, they are so much alike that the body ac- cepts such transplants. This is true to a lesser degree with fra- ternal twins, or very close rel- atives. It is now possible to trans- plant organs in animals (such as a lung from one dog to an- other) but when the transplants succeed, even for some months, it is only with the use of ex- tremely powerful drugs which inactivate or paralyze the fac- tors in the animal's body which ordinarily reject foreign. tissues or flesh. We may someday be able to transplant organs freely and successfully, but we can't do it now, except in the most unusul TODAY IN HISTORY By THE CANADIAN PRESS Nov. 28, 1963... Louis de Buade, Comte de Frontenac, died 265 years ago today--in 1698--during . his second term as governor of New France. He was sent to Quebec first in 1672 and recalled 10 years later, With Frontenac gone, the Iro- quois began terrorizing the colony; Recalled in 1689, he defeated them, restoring France's access to Lake Ontario, the west and the Ohio valley. 1919--Lady Astor became the first woman. ever elected to the British House of Commons. 1942 -- Boston's Cocoanut Grove night club fire killed 491 persons, VVVVVVVVY OTTAWA REPORT Needs Protection From His Friends By PATRICK NICHOLSUN OTTAWA -- Former prime minist er John Diefenbaker be excused for exclaim- ing: "Heaven preserve me from my friends!" Added to the still rising flood of controversy swirling round his political image, an apologia has 'been compiled by Dr. Hugh Macarthur Horner, Progressive Conservative MP for Jasper- Edson in Alberta. This back-bench MP has cir- culated three typewritten pages of "Macarthurisms" to news- papers and to Tory MPs, But this might get a far wider cir- culation than its author planned if it falls into the hands of the Liberal party. For, despite its intent to explain and excuse, it could be read as a damaging disclosure of the Diefenbaker years as seen through the eyes of the Prairie rump of the Con- servative party. Dr. Horner's hodge-podge of Opinion, excusing and name- QUEEN'S PARK calling fires scatter - shots against everyone except "the Prairie Man." Other Canadians are pictured as foes of the Prairie man, and especially of John Diefenbaker, under de- scriptions such as the power- hungry, rebellious cabinet min- isters, city Conservative MPs in Eastern Canada, the beauro- eracy (spelled thus), bankers and money men, the entrenched and powerful establishment in their cushy environment, slick manipulators of big business and government, exalted minis- terial benches, and strong and powerful forces which indirectly our economy and our government. STEWED BRAYERS Dr. Horner's most savage cri- ticism is directed against the "bought press,' who "write so glibly,"" bent on building their own ego and more concerned with headlines than with Can- ada." (Don't any Prairie men Fiscal Relations Thorniest Matter By DON O'HEARN TORONTO--As this is read the federal - provincial confer- ence will be under way in Ot- tawa. The conference starts with some high hopes, and. probably some false ones. It has been hailed as the most important in' our history. This it probably may turn out to be. But this does not mean the con- ference will provide many per- manent solutions, as many peo- ple seem to expect. BIG AGENDA The conference has an un- usually big and broad. agenda. Scheduled to be discussed are employment, economic policies, conditional grants and shared- cost programs, fiscal relations, national farm marketing, In- dian and Eskimo affairs, pro- vincial lotteries, Canada Pen- sion Plan, medical services, a permanent federal - provincial secretariat, and possibly other matters. On some of the more minor matters--such as changes in the Criminal Code to permit bingos and raffles, and the establish- ment.of a permanent. secretar- iat--final agreement' may be reached. But on the more momentous questions the conference may not turn out to be more than a first Stage approach. On fiscal relations, for in- stance, the main aim must eventually be to have the prov- inces raising and spending most of their own money, There has been an indication that Ottawa will offer to aban- dom some of the shared-cost programs--such as hospital in- surance--and hand over equiv- alent revenues for the provinces to spend as they will. But the main problem re- quires reassessment and dis- cussion of tax sources and the responsibilities of the various level of government. And this will not be taken care of in a one week's meeting with a crowded schedule. Also, of course, both Ottawa and Ontario have committees studying taxation. And their re- ports will be a pre-requisite of a final determination of taxing rights. On the eve of the conference, as this is written, it even ap- pears unlikely that there will be any final harmony on the Can- ada Pension Plan. Just before he left for Ottawa Premier Robarts said he still hadn't received from the federal government information he had asked for regarding the plan. Mr. Robarts is a quietly de- termined man and it's unlikely he will agree to anything until he has this. information (and some of it might take a while to compile). In fact at this stage the one chance of the Canada plan go- ing through now would be if Ot- tawa determined to put it through over Ontario's head. ; most t d ; tion ever known." write A. n 2). They are guilty of "biased fhe ae and "an abject failure to | oot facts." They are "braying don- keys" who have attempted 'the press ssina Members of the Press Gallery here are accused of 0 aga "stewed nightly" when drank and played = cab have enjo drinks and play--such as bridge --with some of those who have attained cabinet rank. These in- clude John Diefenbaker, who in his pre-leadership days enter- tained many journalists at wet parties at his apartment--bu' can assure Dr. Horner that neither of us got stewed. I could also inform him that the slick manipulators in the eastern cities don't have the prairie habit of throw away the cork. They can take one drink or two, and have the strength of mind to call a halt, The gallery may get roasted ae Horner, but we can sit eyeball. to-eyeball with a highball with- out getting stewed. John Diefenbaker, described by Horner as "a Prairie radi- cal," wanted to "mold" the Conservative party when he be- came its leader, In fact ail prairie men, says Horner, had "the avowed intention that if they ever had a chance they would change (our economic set-up). The Prairie Radical did do some molding. His cam- paign material renamed it The Diefenbaker Party in his first election, asserting that 'It is time for a Diefenbaker govern- ment." Everyone will agree with Dr. Horner that John Diefenbaker did some good things to help the Prairie man. Under his leader- ship, Canadians paid more tax than ever before, and about half this came from Ontario taxpay- ers. With this tax flood, and the budget deficits, the Lsnge ome government helped the Prairie men generously, through the new acreage payments, farm support prices, farm credit and so on. Surprisingly Horner's vir- gin foray into public relations omits mention of the greatest thing his hero did to help the dwellers in eastern cities, who are not always "money men' --the increase in the old age pension. This "'Hornerism" is a devas- tating disclosure of the chasm in the philosophy of the Prairie man, between himself and the city dweller. If the Liberals get hold of this document, John Diefenbaker may well pray for protection against his friends. own wing, Poor Timon lived jike bonk interest it earns. 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