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Oshawa Daily Times, 14 May 1928, p. 1

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VoL A The Oshawa Daily Times 1he Oshawa wa Dai Reformer OSHAWA, ONTARIO, MONDAY, MAY 14, 1928 MANY MADE HOMELESS IN FLOOD AREAS Many Miles in Districts | Where Rivers Overflowed WORST IN YEARS Rivers Maintain High Levels Over Week-end-- Traffic Still Blocked (By Canadian Press) Fort Coulonge, Que., May 14.-- Desolation stretched for miles here as scores of families were remn- dered temporarily homeless with the steady rise of the Ottawa and Coulonge Rivers which virtually transformed this village into an island, Fifty-two years have pass- ed since Fort Coulonge and the surrounding districts have witness- ed such a destruction of property on account of flood waters and the loss to date will run into thou- sands of dollars, Ottawa, May 14.--With the Ot- tawa River swelled to the highest point in the past 19 years, the levels both of it and the Gatineau were approximately the same this morning as they were last night, Tha feeling here is that unless there are some unexpected devel- opments in the north country the peak, has been reached, Sault Ste, Marie, Ont,, May 14, A drop in high water in the Missi- ssaugi River over the week-end is hardly noticeable and the river at iron bridge is still about 18 ft, above snormal: The trunk road between iron bridge and Dean Lake and Blind River is still blocked to trafic by the flood, Old timers in the section say the water is higher than any time in 40 years, Streams near the Sault are going down gradually and no further trouble is expected from this source, WOMAN KILLED AS CAR HITS POLE Mrs. James Marsland Dies Instantly Following Crash Near St. Thomas (By Canadian Press) St, Thomas, Ont,, May 14,-- Mrs, James Marsland, aged 68, was kill- ed and her husband and son, Wil- fred, seriously injured early today when' their automobile swerved from the London-St, Thomas high- way, side swiping a telephone pole, Wilfred Marsland had been driv- ing for some hours when the car left the road. Mrs, Marsland was instantly killed and the car com- pletely wrecked. : The party were returning to St. Thomas from Guelph where they formerly re- sided, Following the accident, thieves stole the rear wheel of the wrecked car as well as the hat be- longing to Mrs. Marsland, FUNERAL OF LATE REV. McGILLIVRAY TO BE ON THURSDAY (By Canadian Press) Toronto, Ont, May 14.--Arrange- ments were made today for the fun- eral to be held on Thursday in Whit- by of Rey, Norman Harold McGilli- vray, former pastor of Parkdale Presbyterian church Toronto, and formerly of St. Thomas, who died at Whitby where he was receiving hos- pital treatment. He had been missing since Wednesday and his body was found in Whitby Bay Sunday even- ing. Mr. McGillivray had been ill since his retirement from Parkdale church in 1926, . C. N, BR. EARNINGS The gross earnings of the Cana- dian National Railways for the week ended May 7, 1928 were $4,- 575,451.00 as compared with $4,- 768,330.00, for the same week of 1927, a decrease of $192,879.00 or four percent. (By Canadian Press) Ottawa, May 14.--Political gos- sip this morning mentioned May 26 as a likely date fer the provo- gation of Parliament. Proroga- tion on that date is, however, con- Parliament is Likely . to Prorogue May 26 sidered very improbable. Six Gov- ernment measures still remain on the order paper and many items in main estimates remain to be passed. Supplementary estimates | have yet to be tabled. "Youth of th Lowenstein's Plane is Seized by Customs Men (By Canadian Press) Toronto, Ont, May 14. Customs officials today "seiz- * the aeroplane which car- ed Captain, Alfred Loewen- stein, Belgian financier, from Buffalo to this city this morn- ing because the department had not been notified in ad- vance of the plane's arrival. Instructions from Ottawa will be necessary to effect its re- lease, TWO LOSE LIVES AS MINE GAVES IN Robert Smith and Nick Kar- ensky Suffocated at Kingdon Operations (By Canadian' Press) Kingston, Ont., May 14,-- Rob- ert G .Smith, aged 50, and "Nick!" Karensky, 40, it became known to- day, lost their lives last week in the Kingdon mine at Galetta when they were suffocated in the slide of earth, An inquest will be held, TWO PLANES ON WAY TO GREENLY ISLAND (By Canadian Press) Saint John, N.B,, May 14.-- Two United States army amphibian planes on the way to the mainland near' Greenly Island to hring the "Bremen" to the U.S. left here at 9 a.m, for Pictou, N.S, From Pie- tou, the planes will proceed to St, George's,, Nfld.,, and then to Long Point, opposite Greenly, where the "Bremen" now is waiting, THIEVES CARRY AWAY $1,200 LOCKED IN SAFE (By Canadian Press) Toronto, Ont,, May 14.--Thieves entering the Orchid Flower Shop, Yonge street, over the week-end carried away a small safe contain- ing $1,200 in cash, CAROL'S DEPARTURE IS POSTPONED (Cable Seryice to the Times by the Canadian Press) London; May 14.--Prince Carol's departure from Englapd in pursu- ance of the British Home office's request that he leave the country, has been postponed for a bit mut he is departing for the Continent before Thursday, his host, M, Jo- nescu announced today, It was expected Carol would leave today. ' "Italia" will Proceed in Favorable Weather Cable Seryice to Times by the Canadian Press King's Bay, Spitzbergen, May 14. ~The Dirigible "Italia" will make another flight to the North Polar regions as soon as good weather prevails. WEATHER Light to moderate winds, fine, Tuesday, moderate Southeast winds, partly cloudy not much change in tempera- ture, ' Car Jum ps Cus Curb, Striki Later St. Catharines, Ont, May 14. George Vincent Wallace, 45, farmer of Stanford township, who' was knocked down by a car driven by Hector Morrison of Thorold, on Thorold street Saturday night, died at his home Sunday morning, Wal- hing Man, Injuries (By Canadian' Press) Di lace and his son were walking on the sidewalk when Morrison's car jumped the curb and struck both, not injuring the son. Morrison was ar- rested on a charge of manslaughter and allowed out on bail. He will receive a hearing on May 23. The inquest will be held on May 21, e World" Basis of Interesting Talk by "Y" Official ? Oliver H. McCowen, Associ- ate General Secretary of World's Committee of Y. M. C. A., Addressed Osh. awa Rotary Clab Today-- Has Been in Service 30 Years--Now on a World Tour Ge -- An interesting and very infor. mative address on "The, Youth of the World" by Mr. Oliver H, M¢- Cowen, associate gencral secretary of the World's Committee of the Young Men's Christian Association, with headquarters of the Oshawa Rotary Club luntheon today. Mr, McCowen, who has been in the association's work for thirty years, has had long experience in India and was in charge of the Y.M.CA, work in the British army during the last war. He is now on a world tour and arrived in Canada after passing through Egypt, India, China, Japan, the Philippines, and the United States. The speaker, who was introduced by Vice-president G, D, Conant, who presided in the absence of President Alex Storie, impressed the audience as onc who had a thorough know- ledge of his subject, the fruit of a long experience in international work among young men and boys, Mr. McCowen stated that he felt at home when addressing Rotarians as the organization was somewhat simi- lar to the Y.M.C.A, in that it was international and stood for service, Co-ordinates "Y"" Work "The World's Committee," he sta- ted, "co-ordinates the work of the Y.M.C.A. in some 50 different coun- tries and is a sort of clearing house for policy: and program methods, Immediately after the Great War, the World Committee found at its very doors a situation in drope ur- gently calling for attention, Thirteen republics were either born or reborn as the result of the peace treaties and were faced with the almost im- possible task of social and economic reconstruction in an atmosphere of hatred, fear and distruct which was the legacyy,of that mighty conflict, The youth of Europe was below normal both physically and morally and it scemed as if the Association was particularly well fitted to bring to th em the ministry they needed. One of the first problems fhe world's committee "undertook was the need of boyhood and they suec- ceeded in promoting in practically every European country camps for boys which are so familiar in this country but were quite unknown there. This summer, camps will be held in every one of the twenty- three countries of Europe with the exception of Albania, In many coun- tries the Y.M.CA., has introduced educational work and evening class- es for young men, I have seen an association in central Curope where over a thousand young men attend classes in one Y.M.C.A, dur- ing evenings. International Goodwill "Perhaps one of the most out- standing contributions of the Y.M. C.A. has heen the developing of In- ternational goodwill among the youth of Europe. Two years ago a world conference was held at Helsingiors, Findland , where 1500 young men from 48 different countries were pre- sent, Apart from the religious val- ues of that conference, its value as a reconciling medium, was of ines- timable worth. In Copenhagen, last year, a Y.M.C.A. Olympic was held, where 500 Y.M.C.A, athletes, were present at a nine-day field and track meet, and it is satisfactory to be able to say that the competing coun- tries went out of their way to show a spirit of sportsmanship. Again in August, last, an international camp for older boys and boys' leaders was held in Hungary. right in the heart of most unsettled Furope. Boys came to that conference that had been taught from childhood that true patriotism was to hate the boys of the surrounding countries. Yet after a fortnight's open air life in camp in spite of the spirit in which they came, and in spite of the difficulties of different languages and religions at the closing camp-fire every boy pledged himself, throughout his life, to promote by every means possible, international goodwill. In the coun- try of Czecho-Slovakia, which is composed of 5 different nationalities, imbued with many predjudices to- wards cach other, it was found that the Y.M.C.A. was the only place in that country where young fellows of LOCAL HOSPITAL OPEN TO PUBLIC LAST SATURDAY In Qliseivance of National Hospital Day in Canada National Hospital Day was obsery- ed on Saturday at the Oshawa Gen- eral Hospital. A number of citizens of this city and district took advan- tage of the opportunity to become familiar with the operation of a mod- ern hospital, and visited the institu- tion during the zfternoon. This was in conjunction with similar institu- tions throughout Canada, which are opened to the public on that day. While there were a number of people shown through the hospital Saturday, Miss E. McWilliams, su- perintendent, points out that more citizens will take advantage of the Hospital's annual birthday celebra- tion on August 13, to see the institu- tion. This is always an important day in the year for Oshawa's hospital, and this year it is celebrating the 18th anniversary of its opening to the public. It is also pointed out by Miss Mec- Williams that friends who are visiting patients in the Hospital are often granted permission to see the hos- pital and are shown through the building by one of the nurses, In this 'way, many residents of the dis- trict become familiar with the insti- tution during the year, LOEWENSTEIN I BACK IN TORONTO In Connection With Inter. ests of Belgian Bondholders of Brazilian Company (By Canadian Press) Toronto, Ont., May 14.--Captain Alfred Loewenstein, Belgian finan- cier, arrived in Toronto shortly af- ter ten o'clock in his nine passen- ger moneplane, piloted by Copinie Drew, from Buffalo, He is visiting Toronto i in connection with the interests of a number of Belgian hond holders in the Brazilian Traction and Power Company, FORMER'U. 5S. CHAMP WINS FIRST MATCH IN BRITISH TOURNEY Capetown, May 13.--According fo The Cape Times, Colonel Hon, F. H. P. Creswell, Parliamentary Labor Leader and Minister of De- fense in the Hertzog Government, who claims to have a following of 90 per cent. of the rank and file of the present Labor party, and relies upon the full support of the Nationalists, {s about to issue a manifesto announcing the forma- tion of a new party to continue the present alliance with the Na- tionalist party. His followers, the newspaper states, will fight the elections under this pact and take portfolios according to the number elected, Colonel Creswell, the paper con- tinues, will point out in the mani- festo, that the National Couneil or the Labor party is responsible for precipitating a definite split' in the Labor party because of its threat of expulsion and refusal to approve the nomination of all candidates for parliamentary honors who au not agree with its methods, PREMATURE DYNAMITE BLAST IS FATAL TO FALLBROOK MAN Perth, May 13.--George Hunter, aged 76, of Fallbrook, a community about 15 miles from here, was al- most instantly killed yesterday by the premature explosion of a charge df dynamite being used by him and his brother, Andrew, to blast rock while making holes for fence posts on their farm. Hunter received terrible injuries to the head and shoulders and was dead when his brother, who was a short way off, reached him. He is sur- vived by a sister and three broth- ers, all resident in the district, these different races could meet without having a row. The foreign minister of the country made this public statement lately that the Y.M. C.A. was exercising a stronger re- conciling influence than any other organization in the country, and as a mark of their confidence, the goy- ernment contributed three quarters of the cost of 7 new buildings which are now erected and functioning un- der leaders from the country, trained secretaries from America, Canada and the United Kingdom." Years In Service Mr. McCowen has spent 16. years in the ser¥ice of the Y.M.C.A. in the Orient and has seen the work de- LG | on Page 3), Guage ghien is Cal by Hymn While Fire Ruges (By Associated Press) Philadelphia, Pa., May 14.--At a signal from Fa- ther Edward J. Lyng, 200 cMtildren started singing a hymn af St. Paul's Roman Catholic Church here Sun- day, and prevented the pa- nic of 500 adult members of the congregation while flames destroyed the linens of the main altar, Calmed by the singing, members of the congrega- tion extinguished the blaze. GERMAN WISHES TO FLY IN BREMEN Johannes Vollert is Deter- mined to Return in the Bremen (By Associated Presd) New York, May 14.--Bent on being a member of the crew if the Bremen attempts a return journey to Europe, nd Vollert, Ger- man aviator, arrived today from Germany. He was offered third mate's place in the plane after Arthur Spindler dropped out, but could not reach Ireland before Fitzmaur- ice took the post. PLANE WILL BE USED AGAINST MOSQUITOES Ottawa, May 13.--As the result of flooding several hundreds of acres of land in the vicinity of Gatineau Point, mosquito wrigglers have developed by untold millions, and for the first time it is planned to destroy them by means of pyre- thum dust releasel from a specially constructed aeroplane. Aeroplane dusting operations will be in the nature of an expori- ment, since this material has not been used previously for mosquito control, although its value has heen tested by the Entomologreal Branch. The pilot and plane will be supplied through the co-opera- tion of the Air Board and the De- parfment of Agriculture, The situation = this season fis much more dificult than last year, and this method is to be tried with a view to destroying the insects, The material is non-poisonous to man or live stock, hut it is very effective. 1f this method should prove unsatisfactory, oiling opera- tions will begin at once. OTTAWA McDOUGAL PROPERTY AWARD VALUE IS REDUCED Ottawa, May 13.--Holding that the opinions of witnesses for the Government were much néarer the true value of the land than those for Mr. D. J. McDougal, the owner, His Honor Judge J. A. Mulligan at 8 o'clock Saturday afternoon rendered jhidgment in the arhitra- tion proceedings in ' connection with the expropriation, whereby the Federal District Commission acquires the D, J. McDougal pro- perty on the north side of Queen street in the Russell House block, The award gives Mr. McDougal between $22,500 and $23,000 for his property. Mr. McDougal claimed his property, consisting of 24 feet 2% inches frontage on the north side of Queen street beside the Russell Theatre, was worth $44, 000, GIFT OF $500,000 FOR N.Y, METHODIST TEMPLE Kansas City, Mo., May 13.--A gift of $500,000 from Ellis L. Phillips, of New York City, to com- plete the Broadway Methodist Templ€ in New York was announe- ed here last night hy A. J. Bild- win, New York attorney, at a pri- vate dinner tendered Mr. and Mrs, Phillips. Announcement of the gift, the largest single contribution made for thee hureh, came at the open ing of the drive for $1,500,000 to finish the central spire of the temple, which will rise 700 feet aboye the North River on the up- per end of Manhattan Island. BOAT STARTS TO SINK BOYS ESCAPE IN TIME Toronto, May 13.--Stranded in the lake about a quarter of a mile from the Humber River Sunday af- ternoon with . their boat rapidly filling with water, J. Rogers, aged 17, of 4 Conway Avenue, and J. Wood, aged 18, of 168 Indian Rd., were rescued by Officers Lang and Baldwin. Two youths were cruising in a 12-foot boat . with an outboard motor, when the boat began to fill with water, Persons on the shore sighted the youths in difficulty, and notified the Life Saving Station. Lang and Baldwin went out and linto the Humber Station, 10 Cents a Week; 2 Cents a Copy. EIGHT DROWN WHEN MOTOR BOAT CAPSIZES Party Yas on Way to Camp When Launch Sprung Leak and Sank Expedition "Hieaded By Dr.) A. F. Peterson of Brock- ton, Mass., One of Those Drowned -- On Moose- head Lake, Sunday After- noon BROCKTON FIRE CHIEF RESCUED Unable to Give Account of Tragedy After Swimming to Shore With Life Buoy on -- All Members of the Crew Were Men -- Dr. Peterson Failed to Reach Land After Jumping from Boat (By Associated Press) Rockwood, Maine, May 14.-- Nine members of a party headed by Dr. A. F. Peterson, of Brockton, Mass., are reported drowned in Mooschead Lake late yesterday af- ternoon when a motor boat cap- sized off this place. Chief Daley, of the Brockton Fire Departnrent, is believed to hive been rescued, while eight others, including Dr. Peterson and Sam Buddin, of Greenville, who was operating the hoat were drowned. Moosehead, Mo.,, May 14.--The party left Greenville yesterday af- ternoon bound for the Tom Hegan Camps. According to the story told by Daley, when he reached shore, theb oat sprung a leak, the engine stopped and the craft fill- ed with water when about a mile ahove Kineo towards Greenville, and near the sand bar island. Da- ley said he and Dr, Peterson got on life preservers and started for shore, Daley in the lead. That was the last Daley saw of any of the party, he was so exhausted and unnerved hy the happenings that he was unable to give a detailed story. No word has heen received as to any others of the party and searchers felt certain none but Daley survived, All members of the party were men. NATIONALISTS MAKE ADVANCE ON TIENTSIN Cable Service to Times by the Canadian Press Shanghai, May 14.--Foreign forces prepared to guard their Na- tionals today as Nationallst troops adyanced on- Tienstin, sixty miles southeast of Peking, their objeec- tive in the spring drive. SAYS ALLIES ARE FINDING VERSAILLES TREATY IRKSOME Philadelphia, Pa., May 13.--The Allies of the World War would "like to wriggle out of the Treaty of Versailles if a successfiil camous flage of reasonableness could be thrown over the process," Mrs. Car. rie Chapman Catt told the Ameri can Academy of Politica] and So- cial Science lgst night. Discussing forosent and future digarmament; she said the nations of the world were confronted by a two-sided dilemmaa, first, the hon- orable pledge of the Allies to dis- arm themselves, as the central pow» ers were forced to do, and, second, that the Allies do not feel so in- clinded to virtue now as in 1919, when the (reaty was written. She believes, however, that world dis- armament is sure to come. FORMER FOOD CONTROLLER .4 IN NEWFOUNDLAND SUIT sl Johns, Nefld., May 13.--Trial began yesterday of a suit in which Henry B. Thompson, former food controller for Canada during the war, John A. MacDonald and Eliza- beth Greenwood, seek to recover a million dollars from the Reid New- foundland Company, and Mines and Forests, Limited, for alleged breach of agreement, claiming per- sonal commission for negotiating sales of certain properties of the defendant company. The case arises out of a similar action taken two years ago in which judgment was awarded the plaintiffs, then knbwn as the Bank and Trust Cor- poration. Mf Thompson was at one time a director of the Reid Newfoundland Company. JUMP INTO RIVER, DROWNS, AFTER STEALING CHURCH KEYS Montreal, May 13._Stealing the keys of the historic Bonsecours Church here Saturday, and uniden- tified man fled when pursued by Abbe Le Grand and, after dropping picked them up and towed the boat' the keys on a street near the water- front, jumped into the St. Lawr- ence River and was drowned, First Straw Hat Seen on Street 'Tis summer, The straw hat has again made its ap- pearance on the streets of Oshawa, At one o'clock this afternoon, a solemn looking gentleman proceed- ed down the main thorough- fare wearing his emblem of balmy weather and didn't appear disconcerted when a number of fellow-walkers turned to regard him, some with eriticism, some with smiles and some with ad- miration, For it always takes one person to start the fad for the season. At any rate, the "wearing of the straw" is again in style, SAYS CAROL UNDER RULE OF MOSCOW French Newspaper Believes Crown Prince Has Fallen Into Soviet Toils Cable Service to Times by the Canadian Press Paris, May 14.--L'Echo De Paris 'today said there was every reason to believe that former Crown Prince Carol of Rumania has fal- len' into the toils of Moscow, The Soviet, the paper said, was in con- stant touch with Carol and manoe- uvered him during his stay in France, Sir William Joynson Hicks, Home Secretary, told a questioner in the Hosue of Commons this af- ternoon that M, Jonescu, Prince Carol's host had given him a defi- nite urdertaking that Carol would leave the country Thursday at the lateczt, ARCADE MARKS 30TH BIRTHDAY Two Thousand People Visit Store and Partake of Huge Birthday Cake Two thousand people had a piece of the Arcade's big Birthday cake Saturday afternoon, says Manager R, Hunter. In connec- tion with the 39th Anniversary of the opening of the Arcade in this city, the management served tea and cake on Saturday, until the cakes upply was exhausted during the evening, The cake reposed for a day or two in the window, with considerable interest being mani- fest in its large dimensions, The Arcade was opened for busi- ness 39 years ago with the late Thomas Miller as proprietor, and has continued in business here since that time. During the an- niversary sale last week and this week the store is attractively dee- orated in springtime shades. ip ---- NOVELIST, 'WRITER, MARRIED IN LONDON (By Associated Press)' London, May 14.--Sinclair Lew- is, novelist and Dorothy Thomp- son, U.S. newspaper correspondent were married this morning at a registrar's office. Both have been once divorced. NEW ELECTORAL.LAW WILL GO TO KING Cable Seryice to Times by the Canadian Press Rome, May 14.--The new elec- toral law making Italy a one party constituency will be submitted for the King's signature this week, It has already passed the Chamber of 'Deputies and the Senate. ARBITRATION TREATY NOT SUITABLE Chamberlain States Draft ta Replace Anglo-American Treaty Not Satisfactory MORE TIME REQUIRED Requirements of the British Government Not Met--Will Cause Delay (Cable Service To The Times By' Canadian Press) London, May 14 --Sir Austen Chamberlain, Foreign Secretary, told the Mouse of Commons today that the draft arbitration treaty to replace the Anglo-American Arbi« tration Treaty of 1908 which has heen communicated by the U.S, Government did not in all respects meet the particular requirements of the British Government. In view of the complexity of questions in« volved and the necessity of consult- ing the Dominions he said that fur« ther time would be required before a decision could be reached and a proposal answer, WOMAN 1S HELD ON ARSON CHARGE Belleville Police Understood to Have Secured a Confession Belleville, May 12, -- Mrs, Martha Neil, residing near Highland Grove,' in the northern part of the county, was arrested by Provincial Constable McCoy and Provincial Officer Grey, of Bancroft, Friday afternoon and tos day she appeared hefore Magistrate Jarman of Bancroft, charged with arson, to which she is expected ta plead guilty, It is understood thay Magistrate Jarman will reserve sen« tence for one week. The constables in charge of the case, it is alleged, secured from the woman a written confession signed that she set the barns on fire. Late this week .the barns of Kens neth Lewis, Highland Grove, were destroyed by fire, In the barns was a large quantity of feed, some stock and all the implements used on a farm and these were destroyed in the blaze. No insurance was cars ried and the loss will be quite heavy, Mr, Lewis it is alleged suspecting the fire to be caused through spite, asked the police to investigate with the above result, Mrs. Neil is a married' woman about 31 years of age with one child, Her husband is deceased, PAYS FINES ON THO CHARGES D. Brant Gets Minimum Penalties--D, Binghan Fined $100 and Costs : Magistrate Hind was dis te. leniency in police court this morn. ing and give consideration to Dayid Brant, who was charged with being intoxicated and also with doing ax indecent act. Brant, who was ar rested yesterday, admitted in cour| that he had been under the influencs . of liquor and blamed the second of: fensc on this cause. He pleaded thaf he had a wife and family. After severely warning Brant tha) he would be summarily dealt with i he ever appeared in court again, Hig Worship fined him $20 and costs for the first offense and $10 and costs for the second. David Bingham pleaded guilty to a charge of having liquor in other tha a private dwelling and was assesse $100 and costs. Kenncth Robinson, a young man who stated his was in Calgary, was fined $20 a costs for failing to pay board a lodgings and making restitution tq his landlady in another matter. Ros binson promised that he would ats tempt to do the right thing and pag his debt which was ificluded with thd costs making a total of $47.30. Takes E is Not : : By ; New York, N.Y. April 14--Sir Char- les Highman, British advertising man, in a telegram to a local paper asks why the British flag was not dis- played in the decoration in New York and Chicago when the crew of the Breman was welcomed, saying sou- then Leeland is 2 part of the British tion When British at Fliers' Reception Press) 3 . Empire and Fitzmaurice a Loyal subs ject. Grover Whalen, chairman Mayor's reception committee, said committee considered the Irish flag de proper flag to display. Ti "British flag," he said, "is BY id whenever occasion wargants it

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