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Discussion on the elimination pro-- posal was opened by Mr. McCrea. "It is a question as to whether the Gov-- ernment, as a Governmoent, will intro-- duce legislation to prohibit the use of dogs," he said. "The main con-- sideration is whether it is in the in-- terest of deer preservation." He ex-- plained that the main menace to deer from wolves was in the winter. Nature under certain circumstances allowed the wolves to ouiwit the deer, or the deer to outwit the wloves. Th situ-- ation with dogs was different. Except in winter, deer could seck escape from heard of the question--that bitter op-- position would be restated in the House proper if any abolition--o{--dogs amendment should be brought down by the Govern:ment. Followirt:g the break--up of the com-- mittee mecting, argument was carried out into the Parliamentary corridors and cpinion was expressed freely on all sides that the end had not been B. Smith (Conservative, South Essex), Frank Spence (Conservative, Fort Wil-- liam), and J. G. Taylor (Progressive, North Grey). Agains; dog--running were: W. A. Baird (Conservative, To-- ronto--High Park), Dr. H. J. Davis (Conservative, Eigin East), Charles R. Harrison (Conservative, Nipissing), General D. M. Hogarth (Conservative, Port Arthur), Earl Hutchinson (Labor, Kenora), Hon. James Lyons (Con-- servative, Sault Ste. Marie), Hon. Mr. McCrea, T. A. Murphy (Conservative, Toronto--Beaches), and T. P. Lan--| caster (Conservative, Peberboro'! County). * ' | _ "My department is of the opinion," said the Minister, "that deer preser-- vation wil be promoted by eliminating dogs in hunting." In spite of this attitude, the com-- | mittee went out and expressed its | opinion to the contrary, with seven | out of the elevon rm»mbers upholding | the dogs coming from the Govern-- | ment side of the House. In favor of 1 gle"coxltir}uation of the dogs were T. H. Bell (Conservative, Toronto-- Bellwoods), A. Aubin (Conservative, Sturgeon Falls), A. H. Acres (Con-- servative, Carleton), Coulter McLean (Conservative, Toronto -- Eglinton), Duncan McNaughton (Conservative, Stormont), T. P. Murray (Liberal, South Renfrew), William Newman (Liberal, North Victoria), J. F. Reid '('Conser'vative. West Windsor), Austin betntnth ciiiitectictate irnicinteditiherin.--'ntetrivgintaniatie ds Arviatatrtictiranas. MAiiiranindith «+ spproved of any RBolition of the use o | fx My department is of the opinion," dogs in the hunting of deer that t.h<§i :T& Mr. MeCrea, "that deer presor-- fienry Government may ssek to ef--| in \,ln will be promoted by climinat-- fect, by way of legislation, be(ore;fgf ('_og§ in hunting. The Government the prgsenp sE&EION CioSes. !em'(','cmrsl hag beeoen invostigating the Flimmatxon of the dogs has been| we'l':agc ::'lllmtllng o ehsa snlormanch :ugiely mooted since the last Conser-' on the SUbicct 1; gg:}gl:gl on ative caucus at Queen's Park, when fform of this the Cabinet is said to have ('let'med Cr{sl; aclg:at?;rg:? (t)}rm price Rad 40 te its pohc_y in this regard. At yester-- paid in a ce Iain afioun prilh B day's Fish and Game meeting Hon. pointment anrdm: tamomflu * sig To. Charles McCrea's attitude was such ferred to tho {1hago§n>m. n evions ::" toxsmdxcat,e. that the rumored aboli-- day's Hcarings%a:'i (\:'a?{ioiihofl > mem-- ion is coming, regardless of protest. betrs of th n record "My department is of the gpinion." so they cofilgobnc}n&ict;fte v:,p"szo to t 1'0('.0!'(:3 s'aid the Minister, "that deer preselz- election. In the i:z=t laxlnaalvqli}.zc n'm'(du \_ation wil be promoted by eliminating the Minister, the Government -- oal dogs in hunting." have to take responsibility Cf"'n- ?ff"'l"léd In spite of this attitude, the com-- lation of this kind, irrespé;ct.i\:o of rtfu-' mittee went out and expressed its "CCoOmmendations of commiitees opinion to the contrary, with seven s B yx out of the eleven m>mbers upholdin oD. aoine ave no oo i fhe dogs coming from the Gover & "If dogs are to be climinated." said :nent Sitle of the House. in favor '(')} wW._ A. Baird (Consertative, High -'}le continuation of the dogs were' Pn'k"), some more action should be H Bell (Conservative, 'Toronto. tgke_.- to eliminate the menace of Bellwoods), A. Aubin wolves. The bounty for wolf pups F.. B (Conservative, si uq a , should be the <ame as that for wolves.' By a vote of 11 to 10, members of| the Fish and Game Committee oq the Ontario Legislature yesterday dis-' approved of any abolition of the use of. dogs in the hunting of deer that the' KHKenry Government may sosek to ef= fect, by way of legislation, before: the pressnt session closes. } BITTER QPPOSITION LIKELY IN HOUSE Despite McCrea's Atti-- tude Favoring Aboli-- tion cof Dogs, Fish and Game Committee Dif-- fers With Him by Vote of 11 to 7 Against Conservatives Split On Dog--Deer Issue To Oppose Minister (Continued on Next Page.) Brig.--Gen. D. M. Hogarth (Con-- servative, Port Arthur), noting the dif-- ferent views held in different parts of the Province on the question, suggest-- ed a system by which certain districts would be permittsd tne use of dogs and others prohibited. "The whole question is one of con-- servation," replied Mr. McCrea. The Government was also urged not to make any definite law prohibi-- ting the us> of dogs while hunting "The arguments advanced in favo; of retaining dogs at yestorday's meet-- ing were purely personal," said Hon. James Lyons (Conscrvative, Sault Ste. Maric), who favored the abolition of dogs. "in the district I represent the farmers have started a petition asking the Government to abaoiish the use oi dogs in hunting." If dogs woere eliminated in hunting. settlers and guides would destroy two-- thiris of their dogs, declared G. V. Harcourt (Conservative. Parry Sound). Several setilers kept a number of dogs and used them whon acting as guides to hunters. Four dogs, he said, destroyed thuirty deor, OIf thoir use were prchibited, the cwnors would destroy dogs not reeded, and reduce the menasce to sheep. Personal Rcasons. W. Nowmsan (Liberal, _ Virtoria North) supported this view, pointing out that, if the same bounty were paid for wolves and pups, a trapper might roeceive as high as $125 for a wolf and litter. A. Aunin (Conservative, Sturgeon Falls) urged the Government to find out what the greatost causeo of dceer destruction -- was before logislating againsi dogs. He instanced cases where more de>r were killed by still--l:unting than by hunting with dogs. Special Committee on Game Re-- sources before legislating on the sub-- ject T. H. Bell (Consorvative, Toronto-- Bellwoods) urged that the Govern-- ment should awalit the finding of the A quescionnaire had been sent to 20,000 hunters on this matter, Mr. McCrca explained, and 4.000 had re-- plied. A majority of the answers re-- ceived from Northern Ontario had fa-- vored the abolition of dogs, while a majority from other sections favored dogs. The number of deer ; ince is slipping, he said, could be built up. All at prohnibited the use of do decor., Favor Aboiition in North wolves in the water, but wrnien cuascu by dogs they woere slain by ths hun-- ters at the end of the runway. ,;aT'C. '\ in this Prov-- but the herds her Provinces es in hunting A resolution advocating the aboli-- tion of hog--grading, the establisam>nt in the Province of three large farms, and the recruiting to the same of graduates from the various agricul-- tural colleges and schools, and a cam-- paign to bring home to the ehild. »through his or her school books, the whistory of agriculture and its advan-- tages, was filed by Mr. Acroes with the the youngsters learn now is it ary wonder that we have unrest, and the young pecple going to the cities?" Mr. Acros also stressed the need of a new system of census--taking with regard to agriculture. In the past 20 years there had not been a proper consus reported by cither the Prov-- ince or the Dominion, he contended. --"It's fime," said he,; "that we got away from these fairytales and this silly literature. In the textbooks of our primary classes, and our higher classes as well, we have got to start to teach what Ontario has to offer. We have got to have picturos of our agricultural fields and our mines and cur power developments. With what committee. "You can't do these things without the necessary money,"said Mr. Acres. "Lets ask for the money." Appropriation or an additional $230,000 by the Government, w be spent in furthering the recommenada-- uons of tme Agricuiture Committse of the Legislaturc, and in, generally speaking, aiding Hon. Thomas L. hennedy, the new Minister of Agri-- culture, in improving conditions of the farm and the farmer, was urged yosterday -- before the _ Agriculture Committee of the House by A. H. Acres, Conservative member for Carie-- ton. > Tory Member for Carleton Seeks Government Ap-- propriation FARM GROUP URCED 10 SPEND $25.000 consider: that emerged in the discussion that gun licenses should not be crcept for use on the owner's farm, between April and Augus clusive; that the license should bona fiGce farmers' sons only $ stead of $2; that in Northern Or the gun liconse ber made to @2pp urban dwellers, but not sottlers. action was takon, however, on a: these suggestions, which. with SC other proposais, ranging from 2adv. of a bsunty on bears to a ropo the law prohibiting shooting bei °T e ds eiis on i. Amen nc' ds No action was taken by --the committe on any of the suggestions submited to it before the discussion of the dog question, it boing Gecided that any changes in the law shouli avait the study of the entire game rescurces by the Commission which the Government contemplates ap-- pointing at the end of the sessio: Mr. McCroa said that this Commis-- sion would be representative of all parties in the Houss, and would have cutside members as well. Gun--License Argument. Long discussion arose over the quos-- tion of gun licenses, centring on whether the gun litenses should be mede Province wide in 2pplication, instead of boing confined to counties as at present. Among the suggeostions that emerged in the discussion were that gun licenses should not he valis U1 uiivit wiuct GOBunISsSi0n on Game -- sources reported its findings by T Taylor (Progressive, North Grey) until the Comq1i§§iox_1_ on Game Re-- atior or use on the owner's own tween April and August, in-- that the license should cost e farmers' sons only $1 in-- $2; that in Northern Ontario liceonse be made to apply to on Dcars ribiting & unrise, w of the C C wide in ig econfined Among the in the disc es should 3 ' on the c onmis _ 2pplicatior d to countic e sugg>stion scussion wer not be valic owner's ow\ an\ al t 0