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Mr, CAMERON said he had nover ob-- | jroted to raising the salaries of 'those | who _ deserved them, but what he com plained of was that tho present Govern-- ment appointed officers who were really not required, He roferrad to the dismissai and re--instalment of one of the cletks, a Mr, Tay-- lor, Mr, CROOKS$ said that the charges which had long ago been made in reference to Mr. --Taylor had been shown to be falso alter a full in vestigation. Mr, ROSS asked if some of the clerks or draughtamen could not be dispensed with in the Department, Mr. FRASER said that in his opin{on the public service could not be efficlently per-- These draughtsmen performed a variety of duties bes'des making draughts in the Da-- been an unwarranted increase in theexponses of the Department since 1871. puvniic service counid not be eiliciently per-- formed withcutthe present number of clerks, Mr. FRASER pointed out that in 1871 the cfficers now appearing under the head of the Department were charged against the spacial works on which they were engaged. The real increase between 1871 and 1876 was only about $1,000, Mr, CAMERON said his experionce was that such an officer was necessary, as it was not always convenient to sonsalt the Attor-- rey--General's Department, Mr, CROOKS8 showed that the difference between the estimates for 1871 and thoso for 1876 was under $20,000, and pointed out that comparisons made by hon. gentlemen opposite were unfair, in not hfl:g into ascount the difference in ths mode of charging the entrics The gentlomen who were now acting as clerks intge various Departments had been nearly all appointed to office by hon gentlemen opposite, and they had been promiscd increases of salarioes when the Sardfield Masdonald Government was to come beck strong from the elections of 1871. The great evils of the present Civil Service systems, in Ottawa and in Washington, had originated in political importunity of the friends of the Governments then iu power. The present Government had increased very few ralaries, and not a single one for po: litical objects. Nearly all thoe clerks in every Department of the Ciovernment were in sympathy with hon. gentlemen opposite, Mr. LAUDER said in that care the in-- crease in the cost of civil government must be in some other Department, because there had been a large increaso, Mr, CROOKS gave the detalls to show the correctness of the statemont of the Comuils-- sioner of Public Works, work without the authority of the Legis. lature baving been first ob'tm.d. uts Mr, CREIGHTON protested against the Increased expenditure in the Public Works Department, e-peom]liy in view of a dinin-- ished oufla{,:n public works. He thought there had been no argument made out for Increased expenditure. Mr, CURRIE said hon. gentlemen oppo-- tite were in the habit of referring to the «conomical administration of public affairs by the late Mr. Sandfield Macdonald, but that hon gentleman had lived and died a Reformer; aad the only time he had ever departed from the true principles of the Reform party was when he had joined in a Mr, CAMERON said that the Sandfield Macédorald Government *had been able to carry out the great public works at a less «xpenditure than the (iovernment woere now able to carry on the trifling works they proposed to comp!ste, Mr. BETHUNE cailed attention to the vite for the salary of the accountant and law clerk, and hopcd, if postible,that his services might be dispensed with. Mr, FRASER contended that the services of such an officer were required. coalition with the Conservative ptra. He went on to show the manner in which the rank and file of the Conservative party had treated that statesman, contending that the only time they had ever really supportsd him was when they were expecting to get favours from him, Mr, BOULTER read from the (fut IK:ochel of the hon, member for Welland to ashow that he had forme;l{ stated that Sand:« field Macdonald had received more lugoort g om Conservatives than from the Cloar rite, Mr, CAMERON contended that thore had Mr. PAXTON was glaithat the member Mr, LETHUNE pointed out that salaries had Increascd m})lt only in the Government osoc, but in other ec:upations, Hs w | fnvvr ur of a reduction of the nulrm\:er of ofir& | in the Civil Service, and the payment of bet-- ter ralaries. for East Grey was satisfied that there nothing wrong with the expenditurse in Departmenat. Mr, CURRIE said this increase in expen-- diture bad been going on ever sY::e Contederation, aud _ not _ on'y _ since this Government hsd bsen in power, It the Government had bsen ex-- trsvagant why had hon,. gentlemen opportic not attempted to ckeck the extrava-- garc:? Mr, MACDOUGALL said theras woere no public works now to call f:r the employment of solarge astaff. The Governm--nt ought to show that the expeniiture proposed was necestary. Mr, SINCLAIR fiiuted out that the buildings erected by Mr. Sandtield Macdon-- ald had not been completed, but had bsen a continual source of troub's to the K:elent Government, The late Gcvernment d not erected fon good building except the Lieutenant--Governor's rcesidence in To-- ronto. He thought the staff should not be increased, as it was more difficult to decreass than to increase a staff, Mr, CAMERCN again compared the ex-- penditure between this year and 1871. He understood the utterances of the mowmber for Welland this session, to be in anticipation of the creation of a rizxth portfolio in tge Gov-- ernment, The increase of salaries to public officers would not make the country much poorer, and the leak was in public works out: gide of the expenditure on civil government. He corrected some of the remarks of the member for South Simcoe, After some remarks by Mr. Cole, Mr, HAY expressed hissatisfaction with the explanations of the Government. He thought that exception could not be taken to trifling increases in the salarles of public officials when hon members had inoreased their own allowances. Mr. McMahon--On Thursday--Bill to amend the Act respecting Municipal Institu-- tions in Ontario. Hon Attorney.--General Mowat--On Thurs-- day next--Bill to make further provision respecting Permanent Bailding Scocieties, Mr, Paxton--Oa Thursday next--Address for a return showing the amount paid to each Returnicg--officer and his deputies for their services at the last goneral and any subse. quent elections, Mr. SINCLAIR said he was propared to admit that there was a larger exponditare under the present Government than formerly, but good results had bson obtained, the different Departments having bean condacted efficiently, The item was passed. The following items also passed :-- Degurtment of Agriculture........ $1,100 Public Institutions................ 5.700 Miscellaneous ...... .............. 13,100 The Committee rose and reportsd. The House adjourned at 12 o'clock. NOTICES OF MOTIONS.