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government Sgturday May 12 1979 NEWSROOM 7266537 CIRCULATION 7266539 ne serving borrie and simcoé county Published by Canadian Newspapers Company Limited 16 Boylield Street Barrie Ontario L4M 4T6 Bruce Rowland publisher ADVERTISING 7266537 CLASSIFIEDS 7282 Television debate crucial to election Theres enormous interest in tomorrow nights live debate by the three federal party letiders More than five million viewers one of the largest TV au diences ever in Canada will be watching beginning at pm The debate is crucial to the election outcome The viewers know it So do the leaders Mr Trudeau Mr Clark and Mr Broadbent With time running out and so many undecided voters the event is possibly the turning point in the 79 campaign Some have knocked the program They say TV is shallow way for people to make choices We cant agree for number of reasons In the first place most political rallies this election have had an almost circuslike atmosphere The speeches are more platitudes than platforms TV is different story Its cold detached medium and the debate will stick to the issues With two hours alloted the program is long enough for depth questions and answers And the questions from senior journalists will cover the issues raised over the long cant paign Moreover with three 30minute debates between each of the leaders all the possible matchups are covered The final debate between Mr Clark and Prime Minister Trudeau is fitting windup The TV debate fulfills the need of giving every Canadian ac cess to the leaders who would run our country We think voters will be better informed after Sunday night to decide which leader is best for the job Stay tuned To the Editor The Barrie Examiner Dear Sir During the past few years of the Trudeau government our family like so many others became througth disenchanted with the Liberals record of broken promises and fiscal irreSponsibility refer specifically to their promisc to reduce the Civil Service and not to introduce Wage and Price controls Joe Clark and Conservative have promised us nothing more than increased spen ding of our own money which we dont have dramatic departure from our traditional international role all of which leaves us with grave doubts as to the capability of his government and their understanding of the needs and wants of the elctorate Desperate though we may be for change that desperation has not yet reached the point of committing political suicide Leonard Civiera RR4 Stayner Ontario LOM ISO The world today By JOIIN HARBRON Foreign Affairs Analyst Thomson News Service One Hundred and Fifty Yeais of the Nation one hundred and fifty governments read cynical sign several years ago during one of Ecuadors abortive free elections But this month the Ecuadorian military have broken the harsh circle of military governments which rule in nearly all Latin American nations by permitting frec election This small and in many ways still back ward Andean country voted for populist lawyer Jaime Roldos Aguilera as the first ci vilian president since 1972 Bolivia and Peru with right and leftwing military regimes respectively and about to launch on free election processes again have watched the experiment in Ecuador But the Ecuadorian election did not take place overnight nor in normal way Presidentelect Roldos represents the socalled Concentration of Popular Forces Party and the army was afraid his victory would result in Marxist regime The military plus those traditional forces on the right present in all Latin American countries landowners and financiers delayed runoff electioris for about six months UNCERTAIN MILITARY Roldos does not take office until August and there are still powerful misgivings among the generals and admirals who have ruled in Ecuador However they are unlikely to move now that the electoral process has been completed again in this small South American nation Indeed officers in uniform in power have shown themselves tobe about as inept as administrators as they are in next door Peru in deep economic crisis Ecuador is one of Latin Americas oil producing countries and as member of OPEC Organization of Petroleum Exporting letters to the editor Dear Sir Heaven help Canada if on May 22 the electors do not recall that the minority Trudeau government of 19721974 was kept in power by David Lewis and his NDP members who sold their souls to the Liberals and became mere puppets Only strong majority Conser vative government can rescue Canada from the 11 years of mismanagement of our economy by the Liberals Only clear Clark vic tory will prevent Mr Trudeau from clinging to power which he has threatened to do at heart he is ar rogant and dictatoral by nature and as proven by his flip flop over Wage and Price Controls will do and say anything to keep in power Mr Trudeau is using National Unity as smoke screen for his many faults He has proven to be during the past 11 years one of the greatest sources of national disuni ty vote for the NDP is worse than wasted vote it is vote for Mr Trudeau Hillmer Oakville Ontario 150 governments in 150 years Countries has shared in their world price hikes for oil Yet tiny Ecuador which like Peru and Colombia has large Indian and rural population has not been able to properly dis tribute this wealth Budget deficits and foreign debt plague the small country Meanwhile some of Latin Americas most influential nations Brazil Argentina and Chile continue under military rulers none of whom is prepared to tuni their countries back to elected civilian leaders In fact Brazil has just elected through limited voting procedure its fifth military president in row since April 1964 Argentina is unlikely to return to civilian presidents after thc admitted chaos of the second Pcronist era in the early 19705 Chile of course is the most tragic until the coup of September 191i one of Latin Americas few longtcrin surviving demo cracies lingers under harsh militarism IRESIMING GENERALS Chilean President and General Pinochet has the presumption to dictate the time and circumstances under which his country can again afford democracy very sad travesty Meantime in Ecuador the new constitution is being prepared for the August 10th inaugural with literacy removed as voting requirement adding million peasants to the electorate bible thought Ihou will keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on thee because he trustcth iii thee Isaiah 263 It is the wandering mind that leads us into our wilderness Keep looking to Jesus the author and finisher of our faith My peace giveunto you BUSINESS 7266537 EDIYORS Craig Elson managing editor ADVERTISING Ian Mulgrewcity editor SALES BillMcFarlanewire editor Aden Smith Dave Fuller sports editor Bert Stevens Claudia Krause Lifestyle editor Wayne Hay Steve Skinner Barb Boulion RE POR TE RS Stephen Nicholls Dennis Lanthler Nancy Figueroa Lori Cohen Richard Thomas Stephen Gauer entertainment Gary Forbes Betty Armer camera operator Terry Field CLASSIFIED Freda Shinner Janice Morton WHATEVER FEATS IT TAKES TO STAY lN POWEQ Hill By STEWART acLEOI Ottawa Bureau Thomson News Service Yes changes do occur rather rapidly in politics And there is no better example than the recent declaration by Tory Leader Joe Clark that Quebec cannot vote its way out of Canada This apparent denial of selfdetermination for Quebecers one of the few surprises in this repetitious election campaign shocked many Tory candidates in Quebec and was widelydenounccd throughout English speaking Canada as blunder of monumental proportions No one not even the staunchest federalists in Quebec had ever come out and said that the province could not decide its own future And the irony of it all is that the statement should have come from Joe Cla rk It was mere five months ago that gleeful Liberals were having field day kicking Clark around for being soft on separatism He was the one it was alleged who was in bed with Rene Levesque the one who wouldnt defend the rights of Ottawa the one who seemed to be tripping over himself trying to convince Canadians that Tory government wouldnt sell out to Quebec All this came about after Conservative MP David Crombic the former mayor of Toronto had said any federal government would be foolish not to negotiate with Quebec government if the people of that province voted for sovercigntyassociation FAST FOOTWORK That statement byCrombic was gciicrallv considered to be the winner of the blunderof theycar award And it gave Prime Minister Trudeau glorious opportunity to repeat his Simplistic assertion that neither he nor Liberal government would ever negotiate away the future of Canada Clark appeared bit awkward trying to overtake Crombie and reassure Canadians that he wouldnt SCOOPS Len Sevick manager Dana Homewood COMPOSING ROOM BUSINESS Marian 6W9 accounum Jacl Kerney foreman Delve Mms Glenn Kwan asst loreman Vikki Gran Don Saunders Brenda Woods Lorne Wass Will Cadoaan CIRCULATION SlanWray Bill Halkes manager Bl Raynor Steve White assistant manager Ed Allcnby Andy Haughlon Janie Hamel Alva LaPlante Susan Kitchen Lisa Warry Ron ioer Peggy Chapell superVisot Elaine Porter Barbdlt 53 Cheryl Aiken pRESSROOM Don Near loreman Fred Prince asst foreman Harris Blanchard Brian Marr 010 NOT SAV LOSE By SEATS LLTRYTO STAV lN POWER WHAT SAID WAS WILL cuoose JOE LARK The shoe fits negotiate the breakup of Canada Somehow he didnt sound all that convincing Who would have thought that in just few months Tory candidates in Quebec would be wringing their hands because their leader was apparently denying their people the right to selfdetermination And who would have thought that the prime minister would be sug gesting he might actually sit down and talk with referendumarmed separatist govern ment Clark remained adamant under persistent questioning No province he repeated and rc peated could vote itself out of Confederation He was standing tough on this one SO THAT OUR EMPLOYEES MIGHT ENJOY THE DAY WITH THElR FAMILIES WE WILL BE CLOSED MAY 13 ON MOTHERS DAY The Summer is member at The Canadian Dress CP and Audit Bureau of Circulations ABC Only the Canadian Press may re publish news stories in this newspaper credited to CF The Assooated Press Reuters or Agence France Presse and local iewsslories published in The ElamlICI Published dailylexcept Sunday and statutory holidays WE EKLY by carrier 90cents YEARLY by carrier $1680 Copyright mammalian number 7038 monster 61 BY MAIL Barrie 630 National advert51nd oiles as Queen St Toronto 86 mo 610 Calhcart SIMCOE COUNTY SM°° $3900 MOTOR THROWVOFF SALSOa year ELSEWHERE IN CANADA $4100ayear Clark talks tough to Quebec while Trudeau seems flexible Meanwhile Trudeau the traditional tough guy on the issue was suddenly appearing more flexible He said there would be referendum in Quebec and whether there are negotiations or whether there arent any will depend on the results Later he added this have always said if there were clear vote for the independence of Quebec someone would have to sit down with the Quebec govemmcnt If he did always say this it wasnt very loudly In any event the shoe seemed wellfit ted on the other foot NOT PLANNED common reaction to the Clark declaration in Quebec was that he was ad mitting the province was disaster area for his party and was appealing to the red necks of EnglishCanada Even Jacques Vasseur the Tory candidate in Laprairie suggested this Clark took that decision mainly with view to toughening his image in Ontario Other candidates disassociated themselves from the Clark statement But Tory officials say their leader had not planned to take tougher stance on this par ticular issue Said an aide It was question that arose unexpectedly at news conference and Clark correctly replied that no province had the right to vote itself out of Con federation Trudeau has said the same thing many times There was pause But must admit he could have expressed it differently The officials sweated over the dilemma and decided that while it would be nice to clarify the situation to the satisfaction of all Tory candidates in Quebec the gamble would be too great Appearing wishywashy in the final 10 days of the campaign could be fatal But its still difficult getting used to seeing that shoe on the other foot The Examiner claims copyright on all original news and advertisma material created by Its employees and published in this newspaper The advertiser agrees that the publisher shall not be liable for oamaucs aris ing out at errors in advertisements beyond the amount paid for the space at tually occupied by that portion at the advertisement in which ihc error oc curred whether such error is due to the nealioencc at its Servants or other Wise and there shall be no liability tor non insertion at any advcriisomeni bcy0nd the amount paid tar such advertisement Hospital mess on old story By DON OIIEARN Queens Park Bureau Thomson News Service TORONTO The government once again is in controversy over hospital and other beds for the sick and ailing In the Quecnsway Hospital in Toronto patients on admittance have been held in emergency wards while upstairs in the in stitution the beds they have needed have been occupied by convalescent patients who should properly be in nursing homes or convalescent wards The Queensway situation probably has been overdone by the opposition and the press as these things tend to be but theres no question that the hospital bed situation is in bit of mess It would in fact be strange if it were otherwise For now this mess is an old old and seemingly permanent story MASTER PLAN It is scene which Leslie Frost from his grave would view without much comfort For the root of the trouble of today really goes back to Frost It is not the habit of government to use foresight but occasionally the odd man comes along who has it and tries to use it Dr Mackinnon Phillips who was health minister in the late 1950s was one of these Phillips was bit of an eccentric But he had vision and with it sound common sense He could see crisis coming in hospital beds But even more he was alert to the need for facilities for patients needing con valescent and chronic care many of whom then even more than now were oc cupying expensive active treatment beds So be devised plan for new type of health care unit It would have had three parts At the core would have been an active treatment hospi ta There would also have been chronic care hospital Along with these there would have been convalescent and nursing home units All three would have had their own iden tities to quite degree but they would have had common heating and laundry plants perhaps kitchens and of course would have been about as inexpensive an operation as there could be HANDS II It looked like good plan and still does But Frost wouldnt buy it In fact it is doubtful if he even seriously considered it And for one prime reason For such plan to first get started and then work the provincial government would have had to play considerable hand and perhaps even order the form of health care programs there should be in the municipalities throughout the province Frost would have none of this Hospitals then were built largely through local subscriptions and run by local boards It was loose system one hospital could cost $8000 bed in one municipality and the same hospital $17000 bed in another municipality but one of Frosts principal political tools was defense of local au tonomy So prospectively goal system was lost We have been wallowing cvcrsince Interpretingthe news SALT slows arms madness By AL OLLETTI UNITED NATIONS CP Agreement on the essentials of an arms limitation pact is widely supported at the UN although it is seen as only small step toward general complete disarmament SALT II is the second stage of the strategic arms limitation treaty that is expected to be signed by the United States and the Soviet Union next month In the US the SALT debate has all the trappings of huge political circus as politicians for and against it go around the country expressing the will of the people Polls show large majority in the US want an end to the arms race US president fighting for his political life may well make SALT key party plank if Congress rejects the treaty President Carter with low rating in polls on the kind of job he has been doing is ex pected to seek reelection in 1980 and he likely will charge hardliners on SALT as being against peace Politics aside the seriOUsncss of the arms race between the superpowers always has had priority in the UN even if attempts to bring about general world disarmament have proved to be painfully slow SALT II puts cap on nuclear arms development but there still are the untouched other systems of mass destruction on drawing boards or being tested that the public knows nothing about Without SALT II there would be no SALT III negotiations in the 1980s when the superpowers could tackle limitation of weap ons of mass destruction as well as destruction of nuclear arsenals SALT II restricts the US and the Soviet Union to 2250 missiles and bombers each by the end of 1981 The current figure is 2400 Each side is limited to the development of one new landbascd ballistic missile system for the duration of the treaty which expires in 1985 There is no limit on the development of new submarinebased missile systems Existing systems can be modcmilcd but only within prescribed limits There is protocol to the treaty which may cause trouble for Carter in Congress The Pentagon wants to deploy new missile landbased but able to be moved from silo to silo under rotation system making it hard to be knocked out in war The protocol bars the deployment or flight testing of landbascd mobile missile until Jan 1982