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today the examiner Saturquiiwgg 17 1979 WDSO Child abuse problem not Solved by punishment By STEPHEN NItllOIIS ment and social agencies in protecting abused youth consultant said responding to child abuse Th lixamlntr children and in punishing or rehalulititating raises questions of parental rights Child abuse is social problem that will notbe parents Social service agencies are committed to the solved by laws to punish abusing parents says Simr Murphy said punishment includes rehabilita structure of the family she said coe County Crown Attorney John Murphy tion HAVE RIGHTS There is tendency in this society to look to the law as panacea Murphy told Georgian College students Friday Itut the law is tool It is not an end but means toward an end Child abuse will be solved by social change not legal change Punishment is form of education said Mur phy Some people will be deterred by little punishment others will be deterred by greater punishment But there seems to he considerable misunderstanding In this province when person Both children and parents have rights said Ms Chisholm But who is to determine the extent of those rights she asked Friendly people thats what Sondycove Acres is all about These women the executive of the Hubside Ladies Social Club are among the friendliest Sandycovers Front row left to right Heppy Moses Eileen Osgood May Knight Back row left to right Muriel Jefferies Bess Brereton Eilleen White and Dorothy Geriery Neil McGee social worker said child abusing Ph xaminer parents often were abused themselves as children Murphy was member of sixperson panel discussing Children and the Law during two day seminar on that subtrct at Georgian College The panel consisting of representatives from social and legal agencies discussed questions front the audience Friday Wilt llttllrlt ls tllllDltlIN Many quest ions were aimed at the role of govern is sentenced to tw years less day he is sent to the Ontario Itelorm Institute Murphy emphasized the reform aspect of that is directed to future of lenders he said The punishing aspect of the sentence acts as deterrent to others but the courts institute Punishment want to rehabilitate the offender Start flights by next spring MIDLAND Scheduled commuter flights began Thursday between Toronto and Georgian llay area communities but the air service is not expect to expand to Midland until spring says an airline spokesman Special We dont want to spread ourselves too thin said Noel Smith marketing manager of ollair Ltd of ollingwotxl lly the spring we hope to have second plane and start serving Midland and Parry Sound With boaters and col tageis there should be good demand for the service by then Ihursdays inaugural flight ran from ollingwotxl to Toron to lslaiid Airport to Muskoka llie olliiigwood to Metro fare is Sflt Smitli estimates the Midland tare will be about $23 when the service is instituted There are some details that must be worked out at lluronia airport before flights can begin there but all parties involved follair the Huronia airport commission and Garrison Avia tion Ltd which operates the airport seem to feel there should be no real problem Among the necessary par ticulars are lighting lounge facilities snow removal and fire protection NO MAJOR PROBLEMS None of these is major problem said Bob Sullivan chairman of the Huroiiia air port commission Blue taxi lights must be installed and the airport lounge finished before service begins in Midland Sullivan believes present snow removal is adequate citing it has not yet been necessary to close the airport because of snow Sullivan says the airport commissmn believes the scheduled flight service should put the low=profie Huronia air port on the map Valuable selling tool Downtown future model used to lure industries It DENNIS INIIlll3l Of The Examiner ltariies futuristic downtown model is already used to lure iii dustries to Ilarrie So says Marshall Green of the Greater liarric chamber of commerce committee which sponsored the design of the model The model is design of what Barries downtown will look like in the year 2000 Two local architects Ian Malcolm and Len Boyko have worked on the project since this summer with two students doing much of the legwork on an Experience 79 Ministry official says No STORE meeting No meeting between the Still coc laxpaycrs Organization Researching Education iSTOItEt and Ontarios minister of education over the human relations program has been scheduled says John Storey director of the ministrys Central Ontario of lice It is Dr Bette Stephensons belief that SItlltli iiid tlieSini coe County Board of Education should work on the problem bet ween themselves Storey said today STORE requested the meeting through letter several weeks ago because it says the local school board is unrcswnsive to its concerns The organization says the pro gram could drive wedge bet ween parcnt and child by mak ing itself the unwanted third as It is very seldom you hear the word punishment in court he said Barbara Chisholm children and Child abusers never learned to communicate in ways other than violence he said People who abuse children often need far more ways than the children they abuse help in may Ron Sclater Shanty Bay Elementary School prin cipal said child abuse is symptom blem he said lts all in your mind Rev Finlay Stewar delivered an address Friday at the Simcoe Muskoka Life Underwriters professional day To entitled lts all in your mind Several political digni other ports of Simcoe attended the meeting Examin grant The model to be unveiled near the end of the month has already been used as selling tool Green told The Examiner group interested in in dustrial development here were shown the model and more of planned party in the child raising pro cess Early this year another group of county parents took their concerns to Dr Stephenson and asked her to check into the boards program The ministry since that time has found that the program has been developed properly using provincial guidednes for human relat ionstype courses Checking students work Marsha Josefik left discusses her daughters work with Maple Grove School teacher Mrs Sue Wood rightl Mrs Wood spent Thursday talking with her students parents as part of professional development day in Barrie City schools During the interviews the teachers discuss the childs SOClOl and academic progress and point out the students strong points and the weak points Examiner Photol this type of activity is expected in the future with the model Green said The idea for the model came from trade conference in Toronto where Kitchener of ficials displayed similar model Green said That model has proved valuable tool for Kitchener in selling their city to potential industries he said Toronto columnists Punishing child abuser is not solving the pro pic of his speech was taries from Barrie and er Photo The chamber is now building stand for the immense model so it can be moved Green said The stand costs about $800 money which could be taken from the Chambers general budget Green said Chamber members however are asked to donate individual ly because the model will likely prove to be important to the ct ty Green said Wye Sondycove lriendliest place in all Simcoe continued from page It In the billiards room in the basement ol Sandycovc Mall leor and Andy are shooting game of pool llowdy dear watc me win says George And at Powder Iuff Hairstylists upstairs Myrtle and Mary have curlers in their hair like this dear they say Theyre camera shy Dont take our pictures Thats not the case however Illl lleppy Eileen May Muriel Bess ltlillcen and Dorothy chatting across from the mall in the Hub The Hub as the name denotes is the centre of activities at Sandycovc it you can find centre that is You see llt almost every home and every spot in this neighborhotxl something is happening TIMIC IO III People have titiic to say hello tell tale or two spin story or three narrate an incident or four Witlioitt doubt Sandycove is the friendliest place in Simcoe County say the women chatting and planning social events in the library Im very content here says May Knight first president of the llubside Ladies Social Club We have good crowd Winding through streets with names such as Nature Trail Road Hickory Court and Weeping Willow Drive you realize Sandycove Acres isnt Every Tuesday at tcrnoi iii Stilttlyttiis llapp Hookers get together to hook rug or two liidi llltllll ings residents stretch and bend tl their regular oga claw And dont forget the igttlpttltts Club si one of the women The Woodpeckers she says are talented group of men who regularly meet to do carpentry And the list goes on lhercs the sewing club the an club the drama club the Sandycove Glee Club llltl choir the bowling leagues the vegetable gardening group and the horticultural group VARIOIN lllthlt and dont forget the special activities the dam is has tours hobby shows and auctions says Mrs White tlt elegant whitehaired woman who as ell as being an ltl we Sandycovcr swims regularly at the liarrie YWCA uid is member of the Baltic Ioastiiiistiess Club We have great social lile slicsays The only thing Mrs White doesnt like about Sandyovi is that in the winter or as soon is it gets cold 3o per cent of Sandycovers migrate to warmer places iiiaiiily llttltlt They shouldnt go lovely here all the time says lls iust trailer park Sandycove desiged with White because it senior citizens in mind is nestled on 300 acres of land close to Lake Simcoe Open courts to Consumers Courts should be more ac essiblc to the average per son says Globe and Mail Con aumcr columnist Ellen Roseman Ms Roscman told Simcoe County teachers Friday courts are accessible only through awyers and often court action is too expensive for many peo ple Lawyers should advertise their fee rates to protect COI sumers who are very vulnerablc to overcharging and timid to ask about prices she said Ms Roseman participated in panel discussion on Protecr tion of Your Itights as part of professional development day activities at Barrie Central Col legiatc Other panelists included representatives from the On tario Law Reform Commission the Ontario Ombudsmans 0f fice Simcoe County Legal Aid office Barrie city police and thetlntariolegislature PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP Dr Derek Mendes da Osta Law Reform Commission Chairman said the Legal Aid program was introduced to help people who need finanCial assistance to pay legal fees In the past some were denied access to the courts in realistic terms because they didnt have money to pay lawyer said Dr Mcndes da osta The problem was very largely resolved by Legal Aid which provides financial assistance to people who need ll Simcoe County Legal Aid representative said his office processes 6000 applications year George Taylor Mll tPCSimcoe Centred said the provincial government has tried to make court action more accessible to establishing in formal tribunals where disputes can be resolved without the heavy adversarial system Persons may also use small claims courts for actions in volving small stints ot monev he said Ms linseman said in many consumer action cases the money sought is small but the problem is shared by many per sons In these instances ioint salt or classaction suit is an ef Georgian opens new centre in Orangeville this month Georgian College will oi fiCially open its new Orangenlleccntre Nov 39 Hotin in the tlrangcville Municipal lluildiiig the centre will have instructional areas seminar rooms two offices and storage space Four Ontario management development programs operated by the school in co ooeration with the ministry of colleges and universtties will be offered at the centre beginning inJanuary Other programs which have yet to be determined will follow And the Orangeville Centres program supervisor Denis Bouchard says otnei centres will be opened in the leIl The colleges board of gover nors is expanding the schools program this year with day students at the three large camr puses and developing smaller centres Georgian Bay com munities such as trangev the Georgian president Wayne Busch and Bouthard will of fiCiate at the opening ceremony fective way of suing the com pany or agency involved STlllY CLASS ACTION Dr Mendes da Costa said the commission has been studying class action for Ontario and will produce recommendations on it librarian asked panelists for their feelings on library staff providing legal informa tion to the public Taylor said they must not of fer legal opinion but there is nothing illegal with offering service to tell people where to look up the laws Dr Mendes da Costa said people should be acquaintwl with the law and of course they should have access to law mmw aweM ibooks Ile said however law will ten in technical language that may be difficult tot liuiei totinilerstaiid ltnrles la to liluitcd legal targon to iiiwlaml let riiinology that is spcrilir language meant loi lltlltlitl of that profession Joyce Dobson left director of the Assocmtion of Barrie Citizens answers questions from Jeff Pigden and Annemarie Lustberg about her organization Thursday night at the Boyfield Mall motion of the Barrie Ratepayers Group Others lions and selling candles to raise money for lega downtown Seeder Project at January Examiner Photo One protect is the for nclude collecting donor council to oppose the an Ontario Municipal Board hearing in