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..__-.. _J -...v 4. .-.-.suu vIuvUl.uu.IOuU to carry the British mails between China, Japan and British Columbia, and we hope to see that line extended or another established between Austra- lia and British Columbia, and by that means we shall be . able to obtain our _fair share of the trade `with our sister [colonies in Australasia, (loud cheers)- . ----~ - -v--- --" ---'- r"""-'- ""' in live by, reason of that? In 1878 our .. population as nearly as I can make out 2 was 4;lO.8,083, and the net interest Of charged per head for Ihat populatioh, Y, was $1. 60. In l883 the population, 1'6 assuming that we have increased at` the same rate, was 4,547,557, and the debt per head is not 2 $160 but $1.26 or a 19 saving of 34 cents, (loud iappluuse). at Now, gentlemen, when politicians V on the other side of the House endeavor to alarm the country, by telling how the debt is swollen, you will ' see with a little consideration, that we are not so badly off after all. We cannot expect to_eat our cake and have it ; we cannot build the C. P. R., that portion of it west of Port Arthur and also through the Rocky Mountains, `without paving for it, but if the result is that we have ourrailway and are not subjected to a_ greater annual charge than before ; we are certainly much better off, because we have increased our capital, our V stock, our wealth and 1 our means of wealth without increasing our liabili- ~ ties, (loud cheers), `Let `me new direct your attention briey to the growth of A our trade. 0 You know, gentleman, one , object of the N .-P. was if possible to make the trade of Canada grow, to foster our industries and to shut out those who made a slaughter market of Canada. No one can deny, looking at- the state `of things to day, when the crisis is about over and times are look- ing better, that we have passed through, the ordeal well. `Many gentlemen who listen to me can doubtless cast back their thoughts to 1878 and the few years preceding, and contrast them with the six years which have elapsed since then and say which has been the more prosperous period. In 1876 Sir Rich ardi Cartwright, the then Finance Minister, went to England to oat a loan in the London market. No doubt he did his best, and for the three mil- lions of pounds sterling, one half of which was guaranteed by the Imperial Government, realized only 95 33. 6d. per 100, or in other words we sold at a loss of something at about 5 per 100. Now this year , Sir Leonard Tilley went to England to oat a loan. The debt has increased, as you _know, and if we are to believe all we hear from the Reformers, the country is being misgoverned and the government is rotten to the core. But, gentlemen, ` the capitalists are the best judges, and 0 we nd that this year, although the se- curities of Canada were not guaran- teed by the Imperial Government, in-A stead of having to take 5 percent less as Sir Richard Cartwright had, we were offered three times the amount of money we wanted, and we got our loan at a premium of something over 1 ora 'd'erence of 6 as between this loan and Sir'Richard Cartwrightis. Need I - give you a better illustration of the prosperity of Canada. during the period the Conservatives have been in power? This is all the more important when we consider as all public men happen to know, that our N. P. is very un- popular to the mother country. A We can't get them to understand over there that if we have a low tari in this country we would never see the sight . of British manufactured goods. They do notnrealize that without a high tariff American manufacturers would control this market absolutely. They seem to . think the tariff is directed against Great Britain, whereas one of its objects was " to decrease .the importation of goods ' from the United States and increase 1 them from England, (applause). While a 7 we believe in Canada for the Canadians, while we believe in doing the best" for _ ourselves above all others, we also want v to help our friends in the mother coun- ' try, (loud cheers). If we look at the trade of thiscountry what dowe nd? Taking the period from 1874 to 1878 A the exports from this country-the lumber, farm produce, etc., mineral l products sent out of the country were $403,404,402 or an average of $80,660, . - 880 per annum. Taking the next period, the six years following, when this government has been in power, and the N. P. in force, we nd the exports amounted to $549,322,039 or an aver- age of 91% millions per year or an an- nual increase of nearly $11,000,000, (loud cheers). `I am speaking now of wbatwe` have `sent out, which after all -e1 is the best test of our wealth. Let` lI.8 show you where that has gone. I nd our trade with France during that period has increased, also with Ger many.` Our trade with Spain has doubled, with Belgiumit has doubled, ' with the West Indies it has increased from $4,397,996 to $6,726 486. with South America from `$669,804 `to $2,- 756,371, while with China and Japan it has gone up from $486,244 to 81,- 970,541, (loud cheers). We all desire that this increase should go on,` and I trust when next I have the honor of addressing you I_ shall be able to an-' 2 nounce a considerable trade with the. Australian Colonies. We have now direct-means of communication by nor, railway with the Pacic coast. `We know therein to be a line of steamers subsidized bythe British Government" in A.-........ 4.1.- '.n_,:L3_I, -- that the interest on our investments on the other--was $6,602,234 In 1883, the last date I have been able to get in the public accounts. it` was $6,713,484, or an increase only of $11 1,248, (ap- plause). Well` how much poorer` are ..... L... ............ Al.` LLALO T- IOHQ ...... It is said the reb ellion'is going to cost us $4,000,000, and this we can't 0 expect to `pay in one year. It is an -enormous sum which must properly be spread over a series of years, but by what means it remains for the Finance Master to suggest. You must bear in mind, however, that we only have a legitimatedecit of half a million, while in previous years we had several mil- lion to the good-a record which the Mackenzie Government could not show, (loud cheers). These are matters of a practical kind" with which I have ven-V tured to weary you somewhat this evening. You will now expect me to say-a few words with regard to Riel, and `it is only proper that I should do so, (hear, hear). `Tie a matter which is the most engrossing at the present time, and it is far more interesting to talk about and to listen to than anylstate-` ment of gures regarding the expendi ture or revenue. Respecting this un- it is not an unmixed, misfortune. V It was a dreadful thing that this young country had to spill even a drop of the blood of its children. It is regrettable that we have incurred a debt of $4,- with .me,th_at?ea:ch one of us feels more fortunate rebellion I have this to. say #000,000 in `suppressing it,- but while . that is so`, sir, I _think. you will all agree _ V _. i These areonly s_omeimpro'vem_8nt80021- sequent_on the construction of the U. P." _R. which I1 think` in the long run. even those ywho -are -opposed to It at ' presei_1t,'will say was a grand act of statesmanship, (loud cheers). Having, said so much about the country's [P.8- terialprosperity, I_ shall say` something about last `year's decit, "gt" decit which properly divided shows these results; = about $500,000 was the decit apart from the amount paid in ccnnection with the North-West rebellion, which before the 1st of July last was $1 700, -000,, so that the total decit was about $2 250,000 in round numbers. $500. 000 wasstlie proper and legitimate de- cit and the remainder was owing to the extraordinary and unexpected ex- penditure in the North-West. Well, gentlemen, you might fairly ask, `f see- ing that whatyou used to say abou_t Sir Richard Cartwright and Mr. McKen- zie, considering how youj used to rail about their having decits year after year, after tax or seven years how is it "that you have an rived at the same re- sult. It is perfectly -clear that in a young country like `Canada where there is no accumulated wealth upon us, as steady a revenue_cannot be looked for as in England, I suppose if you compare one year with another over there, the -difference in the revenue is almost im- perceptible so steady and xed is it that it can be calculated` by experts almost toa fraction what the revenue wiil be. Here in Canada our merchants do well and we nd them going to England or to the Statesand purchasing twice as much as we require. They pay duty uponit and it makes us appear to have , a_ prosperous year, but prosperousasvit ) appears to be, it is a forerunner of hartl times ; when these men have over im- ported what are they to do? They have `a large stock on hand, it is going out of fashion ; they have to pay to put it on the market; there is more stock than the people can take, and the` con- sequence is that there comes a year when there is no importation and con sequently the revenue falls short. Be sides that we know there has been a period of unmistakable depression, and the result of the depression in the old- er countries has been to reduce the value of the goods imported. 1 am speaking to some who are mercantile men and they will agree with me. I have no doubt that the result has been goods have fallen in value, soithat while as it were, weare importing the same quantity of goods, we are paying 80 , ce its for whatin good times we paid a dollar for. What effect `has that on the revenue? The revenue was collect- , ed by an ad vzlorem duty, that is so much on the value; on $10 worth of g )O(l8 coming into the country, if you paid a dollar duty, the same goods now oily pay 80 cents duty, {on get pre t cisely the same articles, but owing to the depression, prices have gone down , and the revenue being based on the value of the article and not a specic duty, falls in the same ' proportion. I have read in such papers as the Journal : of Commerce, not politjcal papers, but ` commercial papers, that this has been 1 going on very largely. Well, what else : has li-.upencd'l That which only was i to be anticipated, namely, as we in- crease our home industries and m-.mufac- l ture mole goods heue, we require to l A import lcss,,so that the prosperous c manufacturer is really the man who is l taking so much off the revenue of the 1 country, because he is making the J i c ] I goods at home. VVell, what is to be done in the future ? One thing appears to be certain-I am speaking as a re- nresentative of the people and not as one charged with the responsibilities of ' the gove-rnment-Ihe proper thing it s appearsto me is to re-adjust taxes, so i as to bring about an equilibrium. The t government, `as you are aware, have I taken o the duties on tea and co'ee, L and it may be they will have recourse a to those duties again, or some other. '1 One thing is certain, that we cannot e `allow the years to go by as they did a under-the Mackenzie Government with v alarge decit rolling up which prac-_ V tically went to inzrease our public debt. t without anything to show for it. To 8 my mind it is far better to pay a little '1 now than increase the debt without g having anypublic works to show for it, n as we did in the days of the M.-icken-V '.I ,zie.'Government-, (hear, hear). -' b -I-. THE NQRT1-IER1$ ADVANCE. __.. - uuvv -ax-uusuu upuu 10. VI 11] -_ ~- ..,... 1 no. What they did with it was this: script, or in other words written docu- ments certifying that afman was entitled to take up certain lands in Manitoba. Instead of taking up the land, however, , the Half breeds sold them to speculators 3 at" perhaps one-tenth of their value 3 f They became entitled to what is called ) 5 3 These men did not settle on the land either, but handed in the Half-breed scrip , so that while the government was giving to the Half breeds say $500 worth of script they sold it for a mere trie, in some cases $50, . while the speculator gets the land and holds it. That was the diiculty in which the government was placed-a diiculty not altogether unforeseen. Archbishop _ Tache, the great friend of the Half- breeds, saw this difficulty 5 he knew it would do them no good ; it would be only a loss to the people of this country and the speculators would get `the land at a low rate, perhaps 20 cents on the dollar, for what under ordinary circum- stances they would have to pay full price. The Archbishop's proposition was this, to set apart a certain number or townships according to to the num- ber of Half-breed families, settle the Halt-breeds in these townships, to give them deeds which would enabfe them to sell to one another, but which would prevent them selling to outsiders for three generations. The government nally did not think they would accept any of these propositions forithzs reason; it was not,` in the opinion of the government, wise to put all these Half-breeds together, the true policy was `to, scatter -them among other _s'gt,tlers. If you tied them up in the best townships they would continue in the state they are now in. They will have no opportunityiof improving by mixi- ing with their neighbors; They would be in a certain sense vessels,` not free men 4 and little better than Indians who have got their reserves. `Under these circum'-* stances the government thought it better that the Half-breeds-gsl1_ould.take up"-laud ,1ust~ like other -people. ..Theyl may be . or .wrong._ It wssthe policy of `Mr; % O, , e um, ggijiighit I andhfelt more of la teerssprana to arms and tendured 8'93 hardships, thousands A of _ miles away from home and-. friends` to put down that rebellion. (prolonged cheers). They acquitted themselves, in a manner which would not do discredit; men "trained to arms. That is something ll us with pride as Canadians. it is something which goes far to justify our expenditure on the militia, (cheers) _ It shows that the young men growing up are worthy sons of worthy sires, (renewed cheers). It was marvellous to military men that Canada. was able to mobilize, - to use a military term, three or four thousand men in a fort- night s time, and .to transport them L through the wastes. north of Lake` - Superior and put them on the scene of man during the time the-_ rebellioli W33 going on at the gallant, Way our volun- action. This is a matter of which we all feel proud, and 1 believe it has done us good not merely at home bu_t also abroad, (cheers), I believe it helped us in some degree to oat our last loan so successfully, and it enables a Cana- dian wherever he goes to hold his head ' as high as any nationality in the world. But while that is so, the rebellion is nevertheless to be deplored. You will doubtless ask me and I am bound to an- swer, as to the cause of that rebellion. I am free to admit that the people of this country are entitled to call the ad- ministration to account and to nd out whether it was owing to any blunder or mismanagement of theirs that this re- bellion was caused, and if the people of Canada are s ttlsr-d that the govern- ment are responsible for the rebellion, that the proper punishment is to depose . them from PJWBI`. I have been at some pains to investigate the matter, and if you will take the same trouble to in- vestigate in a. judicial and fair-minded spirit, if" you will examine whit the Half-breeds complained of,vyou will come to the same conclusion I have.ar- rived at, which I believe most men have arrived at, that there was no cause or justification t'or that rebellion in any ` one sense whatever, (loud cheers). The come of the land? Do you suppose -the `hf! complaints of the Halfbreeds may be summarized under two heads ; rst they sty they were not treated as well as the Half breeds of Manitoba, that the Half-breeds of Manitoba.had an allotment of land in extinguishment `of their title just as the Indians had in the extinguishment of theirs, and I thyy say that since 187 7 they have been I askingfor some recognition of their claim to the land of the North West, that their claims have been disregarded and that they were justied in eeing to arms to seek redress. The other causeof grievance was, that their lands - were being surveyed in away they did not desire, anlsomefurther urged, ` without a shadow of_ truth that their lands were being given to colonization companies and sold over their heads. With regard to their claims let `us see what they were and how they should be recognized. It 18 quite true when a settlement was made with the Half- bieeds of Manitoba that their claims to land. were recognized, and 1,400,000 0 acres were set apart for their use, and it appears not unreasonable that the Half breeds who lived Imyond M-.mito- ba. shiufd. be dealt wth in the same liberal spirit. The positon the gov ernment tool: was this : They `said we have experience new ; we have seen the result of granting this land to thel Hall-breeds of Manitoba and what good they have got from it. VVhat has be- Half breeds have settled upon it. Why Wh,.e than .-HA ....-.1. 3L ._.._ .L:- ., Contmued on` 7th Page. oaoss our SAWS AND AXES; CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEARS PRESENTS 1 TEE EAE@E8?`m@1;0J @El@A%1PE8` 8`1 @@K g A IN BARBIE, AT `H &3~ 39mm miac @&a@n Put `In at short notice. A full stock of Iron Pipe for Steam, Water and Gas. Globe Valves. 5': end Check Valves. Steamuauzes. and Water Glasses. 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DOUGLAS, NEW AND -iMPROVED . bor and other public works there does Well, now, I have explained to you that your liability has not been increas- ed in the slightest degree by this money being handed over to the provinces. Then we have spent in miscellaneous public works $13,267,676. These pub- lic works are scattered throughout the entire country. We have spent some of the money in Oollingwood. We have made `a harbor there. 1 do not know exactly how much it has cost, but I am quite sure that theamount of - money during that period 01 time which has gone to construct Ccllingwood har- not fall much short . of $100,000. (Cheers). "We have spent in` the town of Barrie` in the erection of public buildings there ti sum from $30,000 to 5540 0004-1 don t know exactly what the gures are-and so these public works which the Reformers used to say were returning the people's money back to the people adding to the wealth_ of the different localities of the country cannot be constructed without expense, and when you remember that there are two hundred and eleven constitutencies, each entitled` to its fair share, you need not be surprised a.t_at the largeness of this sum Then, gentlemen, you know we built the C. P. `R.,'and that has not been done without cost to the people of this country. It is an expenditure which- none of us now regret, and I rmly believe that in the long run it` will be returned, to .us fourfold.. , Of that sum the amount spent was 37 millions, including of course, a large portion of the money which was bor- rowed, and which will be returned. . Then we have spent on the Interco!on- ial Railway. a road necessary to keep up communication with the maritime I provinces, the sum of $6,490,965, and for the survey of Dominion lands $2,- 132,443, Smaller items bring up the total` expenditure on capital account to $67,565,989; so that while we have spent this sum on capital account our debt has only increased by $42,000,000, and that is not a bad result. Perhaps the most important question is, how much poorer are you to-day by that increase in the public debt? As a friend of mine said we will have to wipe it out, but I don t think that will be the case. I don t think that national debts, save that of the United States, are ever wiped out, and I think it will remain as the national debt of England does, a charge on the people for all time. But how much more is it costing us on ac- count 0f.'tl1lB debt ! ` Simply the -in- terest of it 5 we don t pay the principal. The principal is like a slow note; it never comes due, (laughter); -The only Way the` principal has come due is in this way. `We borrowed money in our pnorer days at 6 per cent., and when these bonds matured we went into the London market aii_d got` our "money at 4 per cent. I have taken the trouble`; fin ovum..- 1.1.2.. _._--_,. ' BY USING '.l`HE--- THE JEVVELLEB. (io.9.) J anuafy 14, 1886, JOHN PLAXT07` 3 (`U1 Half-breed. be r pakiamined t h repared t re.he ' . ardmiln one sn age? _f bumthat whvn It has misettle it :1 land has L. Beds _n0 ca?`-to be Ivy cheers). l "Hy"daI`t93x1ot be (1.- ,,.,...,_, .. I ask said m trea thof-n Ontario, Q [E went ther- Half-breed. the other . country :L the policy a ernmenr. V man will H ` was not g because th. W88 nht (`:1 of F0` was any _j-A; T Half-bu-_-.1 kountry, M ed in tin- govermuvn merely fur , | I Nnrlu \ ~ : (Tm: grlevzuw-. jP"'rt- '1" "' owner.-s -v x ` n the [mm - ment, znuh :1 ernmem in ' F` was the trn shown but]: R Dumonf, HI says they ' , they had, 1 grievance, ` . try to (Jana Y was no ntlu E:-Lgduce them ---- independcn gment is rm} undoubted! zie, bec'.u1.~m footsteps Hf gard to the-, What Sir J . with the mt` and others, eventually, Swere cunu: - E tereata as w country, th tergns untlm-:1 older pruvml 3 W88 it 8. 0 un , 0_!:*bO: re hvll N, h6>_h.a'lfbre 6 many ug That the hal; vthe ex}-A ; LL. shot dl I `v [`0furesee ` at B3t(IL were {Q S,p0li'(:t`, I ' war um! diun Wm M uwright Ml` Din spontzu believe :1; would -2. 3 out by H.- Lion. L.-- -.,...... .. uuuvu vunuu uuu IJIUUUIB to examine this question, |_Voice--s Where s John A2] (Laughter) and I am not going to weary my triend.'with the gures, because I see his head does not take them in satisfactorily, (renew- _ ed laughter)`. The net interest we paid in 1878-1 mean the interest on the_ debt, on the gne hand, and taken from I strncted, u 11; `:1 B(J'=.'.l'x try was lzm nave (Iv; ri nediately 3f itthu sn the desire . I`herefun- I loncluaiwn you to nun Ionestly lc :1usion. am What I hen` Jled mm 8 _)ap_er. 1)-.1 )Ub1iB11ih Ialf of \\ `m Jeared in 1 iemned z_?.. | 3}! >1` I . }!l]]:V6y( )I'.\`. uccupy. 1 lalfbrcts . ands WM`:- Lbly, \\'}.:Lt sled on m. zheir fun; 1' 1 narrmv fx Mackenziefj Ei{E-bI lealt wi J anu Wit}; ` the public debt was so much in 1867 ` ing the debt toso much and taxing the -John s administration. Now,` gentle- .1884. -The debt at that time was ,$?42,482 416, but against that debt - greater by $41,799,781. You will say The following is the continuation the speech delivered by Mr. McCarthy, M.P., to his constituents at Creemore on` Monday evening, Dec. 28th. Mr. McCarthy, continuing, said : - What are the other objections to the government policy? It `is said that and that it is higher in. 1885. Look at the corruptionand extravagance of the Tory administration. You_ are increas ' people to such an extent that you are destroying the country and compelling. the people to ee trom it. All this is owing. to the mismanagement of Sir men, let me deal with this question and point out how the question of the pub ` lic debt affects us. Undoubtedly the public debt is larger than formerly. 1 I won't go back to 1867 for comparisons. I won't go back any further than 1878, when Mr. McKenzie left office. How. much, gentlemen, has the debt swollen down to the date of which I am going to treat, the end of the nancial year and on the other side of the ledger are the assets, and those assets deducted from the gross debt leave a net debt of the country at that date of $181,719,- 935. _HoW much greater is that than it was in 1878. Itis, gentlemen, with- out gning through gures in detail that is a large sum. How comes it that this country has increased its debt in six years by nearly forty-two million dollars? The gures which show how the debt has increased are arrived at in this way. _ There has been allow- ed to the Provinces the sum of $7,172,- 298. But that has not gone to increase the debt in the slightest degree. If the Dominion owes to the provinces a sum of money and that is allowed to the provinces, it is simply a question of. book-keeping. You are neither richer ; nor poorer. (A `voice-, Where is _ John A. now 1") ` It is very impor- 1 tant that my friend should know it, 4 but of course you won't tell the French- . men. (Laughter). ' no Deals W1th- the rubnd Debt. om? Increasing Trade and the North- west Dllncultlgs. Irmun neemni~[sspmni WVE POLICY COH- PLETELY JUSTIFIED.